IGT 4/9/06: Game 5 - vs. Marlins - Willis vs. Glavine

[Elster88]

(This was the lineup for the rained out 4/8/06 game)

Marlins					Mets
		AVG	HR	RBI			AVG	HR	RBI
Ramirez, Hanley	SS	.471	0	3	Reyes, Jose	SS	.368	1	5
Hermida, Jeremy	RF	.308	0	0	Woodward, Chris	2B	.000	0	0
Cabrera, Miguel	3B	.294	1	4	Beltran, Carlos	CF	.143	1	5
Willingham, Josh	LF	.286	2	4	Delgado, Carlos	1B	.312	2	4
Jacobs, Mike	1B	.250	2	6	Wright, David	3B	.500	2	6
Uggla, Dan	2B	.267	0	1	Nady, Xavier	RF	.562	1	2
Olivo, Miguel	C	.273	0	0	Castro, Ramon	C	.000	0	0
Abercrombie, Reggie	CF	.250	0	0	Diaz, Victor	LF	.000	0	0
Willis, Dontrelle	P	.000	0	0	Glavine, Tom	P	1.000	0	0
			(0-0)	0.00				(1-0)	1.50

[Guest sharpie]

Woodward and Castro playing means that Zambrano is the last Met who broke camp with the team to make his '06 debut.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Diaz batting 8th?

I thought if you have a good-hitting, poor fielding LFer, you tried to get him the most at bats before you take him out of the game for defense..

[Elster88]

Flip-flop him with Castro maybe, but I don't see where else to bat him.

[Elster88]

Rain delay. Crap.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

There's something about the host of Mets Kids Clubhouse that bothers me. I'm sure she's very sweet, but she doesn't seem all that knowledgeable.

[Guest GYC]

Game postponed until July 8th.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Ugh. I'll be in Alaska on July 8. I guess I end up missing this one.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

You don't think Diaz 2nd and Woodward 8th makes sense?

No game? Shit, I structured my entire day around a three hour break right here. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[Elster88]

I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is.

One rainout already. Key for the all-important tiebreaker in the Met Predictions.

[nymr83]

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Elster88 wrote: I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is..

Through 2005: Woodward .305 OBP, Diaz .329 OBP.

Of course Woodward does hold the huge advantage of playing 2b, a major consideration of WWSB's in making out the batting order.

[Theoldmole]

Amazing how some managers insist on having a second baseman in the lineup.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Rainout Theater - SNY is showing the repeat of last night's game. It was a fun game to attend, and I'm enjoying being able to watch the broadcast.

[metsmarathon]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: ="Elster88"]I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is.. Through 2005: Woodward .305 OBP, Diaz .329 OBP. Of course Woodward does hold the huge advantage of playing 2b, a major consideration of WWSB's in making out the batting order.

which really does explain why hernandez has been batting in the 8th spot thus far.

[Zvon]

GYC wrote: Game postponed until July 8th.

JULY 8TH!
Why couldnt they play 2 on Sunday?
Cripes-----------
Okay, I know the answer-greed.

(Phils are gonna play 2 tomorrow)

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

metsmarathon wrote: ="Bret Sabermetric"] ="Elster88"]I'll take whichever has the higher OBP second...I'm not sure who that is.. Through 2005: Woodward .305 OBP, Diaz .329 OBP. Of course Woodward does hold the huge advantage of playing 2b, a major consideration of WWSB's in making out the batting order. which really does explain why hernandez has been batting in the 8th spot thus far.

Well, that's Willie's defense if anyone ever accuses him of being totally insane, but I was referencing his insistence on batting Cairo and Matsui second in the order last season. Those two, with atrocious OBPs and few other offensive virtues, batted second in the order in most of last season's games. I think most of us here saw that that wasn't working long before Willie did (if he ever did). When Kaz comes back, let's see if he bats him in the 2 hole or the 8 hole. I'm betting 2, I'm hoping 8.

What makes me somewhat optimistic that Kaz will bat 8 is Willie's stubbornness--he's committed publicly to batting Lo Duca 2 and it often takes quite a bit to move WWSB off his chosen policy.

[Elster88]

Kaz Matsui
2005: 1st, 2 games. 2nd, 41 games. 8th, 20 games. 9th, 1 game.

Miguel Cairo
2005: 2nd, 55 games. 7th, 1 game. 8th, 25 games.

Looks like Bret is basically right. Cairo and Matsui each were in the 1 or 2 slot for a little over 2/3 of their starts.

If all of the starts in the eighth slot were at the end of the season, that would show Willie learned as the year went on. I don't know if that's the case; I remember Cameron starting in the two spot in the lineup for some time after he came back from his injury early in the season.

[Guest GYC]

Let's try this again...
Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher
Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. H Ramirez, SS .471 0 3 1
2. J Hermida, RF .308 0 0 0
3. M Cabrera, 3B .294 1 4 0
4. J Willingham, LF .286 2 4 0
5. M Jacobs, 1B .250 2 6 0
6. D Uggla, 2B .267 0 1 0
7. M Olivo, C .273 0 0 0
8. R Abercrombie, CF .250 0 0 0
9. D Willis, P .000 0 0 0
Name AB AVG HR RBI
1. H Ramirez, SS - - - -
2. J Hermida, RF - - - -
3. M Cabrera, 3B - - - -
4. J Willingham, LF - - - -
5. M Jacobs, 1B - - - -
6. D Uggla, 2B - - - -
7. M Olivo, C - - - -
8. R Abercrombie, CF - - - -
9. D Willis, P - - - -


Starting Lineup
Season | Against Opposing Pitcher
Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. J Reyes, SS .368 1 5 2
2. P Lo Duca, C .286 0 1 0
3. C Beltran, CF .143 1 5 2
4. C Delgado, 1B .313 2 4 0
5. D Wright, 3B .500 2 6 1
6. X Nady, RF .563 1 2 0
7. V Diaz, LF .000 0 0 0
8. A Hernandez, 2B .063 0 0 0
9. T Glavine, P 1.000 0 0 0

I'm not good with tables, so anyone who feels like table-izing it go ahead.

[Elster88]

Beat you to it. New day, new thread.

[Guest GYC]

Elster88 wrote: Beat you to it. New day, new thread.

Woops. Saw it just after I created. I guess we both decided it was time at the same time.

[Elster88]

I've been ready since I woke up this morning. No game tomorrow too. Sucks.

[Guest Edgy DC]

THREE! Three threads!

Florida	Mets
1) Ramirez, ss 2) Hermidia, 3b 3) Cabrera, rf 4) Guillen, 3b 5) Willingham, lf 6) Jacobs, 1b 7) Uggla, 2b 8) Olivo, c 9) Willis, p	1) Reyes, ss 3) Lo Duca, c 3) Beltran, cf 4) Delgado, 1b 5) Wright, 3b 6) Nady, rf 7) Diaz, lf 8) Hernandez, 2b 9) Glavine, p

[Elster88]

]THREE! Three threads!

[Elster88]

WTF. You deleted my thread.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sorry. I thought it was an extraneous one-post thread. Was there unique material in there?

I deleted mine first.

[Elster88]

Eh no big. Nothing new in there.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Spellcheck corrects the lineups:

1) Hanley Ramirez, ss
2) Jeremy Herminie, 3b
3) Miguel Cabrera, rf
4) Jose Guile, 3b
5) Josh Willingham, lf
6) Mike Jacobs, 1b
7) Dan Ugly, 2b
8) Miguel Olive, c
9) Controlled Willis, p

1) Jose Reyes, ss
3) Paul Lo Ducal, c
3) Carlos Beltran, cf
4) Carlos Delgado, 1b
5) David Wright, 3b
6) Xavier Andy, rf
7) Victor Diaz, lf
8) Anderson Hernandez, 2b
9) Tom Glaive, p

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

GLAIVE: n. A sword. v. GLAIVED: Used a sword.

Nice Scrabble find there.

[Guest Edgy DC]

A leadoff hit for our shortstop, and nothing since.

He was caught stealing.