All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I've decided that I'm going to shut down the Schaefer stuff at the end of the regular season. In order to do postseason tallying, and keep it separate from the regular season stuff, I'd have to make some code changes and I don't see enough interest in Schaefer for me to invest the time.

However, the day-to-day regular season tallying is simple for me, so I'll probably revive the practice for Opening Day 2007 unless I get the feeling that nobody cares.

So, there won't be a Schaefer Mets Player of the Month for October. And no voting for any postseason games. (Well, you can vote, I guess, but the votes won't be tallied. At least not by me.)

[metsmarathon]

i guess i'm not paying enough attention... what did floyd do that was sipworthy of schaeffer last night?

not that i'm really questioning it... i'm just trying to figure it out. the box score tells me that beltran had the better night, but cliff gets half a bottle of schaeffer almost across the board, while carlos gets nary a drop.

unless he gets the beer for catching the last out...?

[MFS62]

Yancy.
we care.
we care.
That voting, and the discussion surrounding it, has produced some of the most interesting stuff on the CPF this year.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Thanks, but there are too few who care.

2007 is still a possibility, though. Maybe even a probability.

[Willets Point]

I care. I vote in every game I watch and some that I don't. I just haven't been able to watch as many games lately.

Plus we'll have a big boost in membership if the Mets success continues. There have got to be some arrogant jerkoff Mets fans out there looking for a place to call home!

[Frayed Knot]

In addition to the technical problems with integrating the post-season, PotG just isn't that interesting for post-season games. Ws and Ls are the only currency that matter by that point.

[Guest KC]

I care, I drifted in and out of the voting ... but I couldn't decide on parameters
and if ten points were necessary for every game and what to do with games
that I wasn't glued to and wondered how people could vote something like
2.7854 for a player when I could only figure a 2.75 and prolly some other
stuff I'm forgetting.

I'd be more interested if given some black and white rules that everyone is
willing to abide by for next year and hashed out over the winter.

As for the polls, I've found that I just don't do as much here as I've done in the
past even though I'm sure it seems to some that I never shut up. We all ap-
preciate the efforts of Rockin' and Yancy ... my apathy isn't a show of not
caring but rather being preoccupied and just not being focused on what goes
on here as maybe I should be.

[Guest cooby]

Well, while we're discussing it, I never even look at the Schaefer polls (no offense to Yancy, because I know he works hard at them) but I never miss a mystery beer poll.

They are great and I recommend everyone to at least look into them if for no other reason than a short report on a new beer each evening.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I got to 3 decimals when I assigned points by gut, added them all up, and came up with something like 11.7, so I applied a discount to get the whole thing down to 10.

I think I did as good a job voting this year as a guy with an infant is going to do, and I'd stand by my points probably 90% of th time. I only copied someone else's vote once I think. I definitely voted less in the POTG beer polls, only because I thought I already had with the Schaefer and that was the more accurate measuring stick to keep up with IMO.

However, I liked the beer selection.

We should put togeter a page-a-day calendar featuring one obscure beer and one Met a day. I'd buy that for a dollar.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I try to vote in both polls each game. I may have missed a game or two when I was on vacation, but otherwise I vote every day.

Thank you Yancy and RD for all that you do for us!

[Guest KC]

JD, You do a good job at everything here, I was just thinking of for instances
off the cuff. I mean to blame my focus more than anything for my apathy.

[metsmarathon]

i never really votd in the beer polls because i could never come up with a good enough methodology, and "by gut" didnt really cut it.

if they're around next year, i'll play in both polls.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

KC wrote: JD, You do a good job at everything here, I was just thinking of for instances off the cuff. I mean to blame my focus more than anything for my apathy.

Well, you had an awful lot on your plate this past year.

[metirish]

I admit I have slacked in voting this season, just some shit going on that's all and I have not seen all the games and I won't vote if I don't watch the game....but I think you guys do a great job.

[Guest cooby]

I think the beer polls ought to be pinned up too, since they don't move when you vote in them, like they did at ezboard

[Gwreck]

I rarely miss votes either. I like both polls and try to participate regularly. Many thanks to those who run them.

For me, a frustrating thing is missing votes that close, especially those that close over the weekend. Hard to complain about timing when I'm not doing the work, naturally, but I know I missed some recently over the last 4 game stretch (having been at all 4 games). I find that going to the games makes it a lot tougher to vote than if I just was watching/listening and could vote as soon as the game ended. This may not be as much of a factor for some, as I get the sense that the board generally skews more to the out-of-town crowd. I wonder if it's feasible to keep every game open for one week?

I also wonder if the success of 2006 has more to do with the lack of voting. There's more celebrating, going to games, watching with friends, articles to read, etc. and consequently less time to break down the minutiae. (?) It's merely a though, as I don't remember well enough the status of Schafer in 2005 and earlier, given that I only stopped lurking and started posting when CPF moved from EZBoard here.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I believe this is only the second year of Schaefer. We completely changed the rules over the offseason. The big Schaefer payoff is supposed to be when we send out a press release and present the winner with a 6-pack but we didn;t manage that last year.

I think, in addition, it'd be cool, if we all kicked in a buck or three and made a donation to the winning player's charity.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

cooby wrote: I think the beer polls ought to be pinned up too, since they don't move when you vote in them, like they did at ezboard

I disagree. The fewer threads pinned up, the better. I find it hard to efficiently scan for new posts when there are a lot of threads pinned up at the top.

[Guest cooby]

Gotta agree with you there. In that case, I think the Schaefer threads shouldn't be pinned up.


What I'm saying is, what goes for one should go for the other

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

="cooby"]Gotta agree with you there. In that case, I think the Schaefer threads shouldn't be pinned up. What I'm saying is, what goes for one should go for the other

Agreed.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Yes, this is the second year of Schaefer, and the rules are slightly different this year than they were last year. (This year it's okay to award fewer than 10 points for a game.) In 2005, David Wright was our first-ever winner.

Originally I had only stickied the threads 24 hours before the game would close, and I still try to do that. But as voting has slacked off, the threads have been more likely to drift to the second page. I have mixed feelings about the stickies myself, but some have expressed a preference for it.

I always allow the games to be open for at least two work days. A Monday night game will typically close on Thursday morning. A Tuesday night game would close on Friday morning. Wednesday games would close over the weekend. Thursday games close on Tuesdays, and games played from Friday through Sunday close on Wednesdays. That can get extended if there's a holiday involved, like July 4 or Labor Day.

I like to keep it moving because few people are going to vote a week after the game is played, and I don't like to get backed up.

I agree with Frayed Knot that post-season Schaefer is less meaningful, which is also part of the reason, in addition to the growing overall apathy, that I don't want to bother making the necessary coding changes to allow for postseason tallying.

Finally, one other order of business: Rockin' Doc, you made an error in your voting for the clincher. You voted for Heilman twice, once giving him 4 points. I suspect those points were intended for Trachsel? Please edit! Thanks. Voting for the clincher will close on Thursday.

[MFS62]

Woodward gets a sip for that acrobatic fielding play.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Marlins will close on Friday morning.

And voting for Wednesday night's loss will close over the weekend.

[MFS62]

I like Heath Bell. I want to see him do well.
But honestly, when we see him on the mound through the eye of the center field camera his butt looks like the back end of a garbage truck.
Heath, if you don't start hitting the salad bar more often, you're going to have to put backup lights on your ass.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Final reminder for Wednesday night's game. Only four voters so far. Voting will close over the weekend.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Voting for Thursday's game against Florida will close on Tuesday morning.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Once again, and for the penultimate time this year, Tuesday is Schaefer Sticky Day. Voting for the three weekend games against Washington will close on Wednesday morning.

Voting for the Monday night finale of the series against the Nationals will close on Thursday.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

As mentioned above, Monday night's game will close on Thursday.

And Tuesday night's drubbing in Atlanta will close on Friday.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Scarlett, you have a vote for Hernandez in the October 1 game. I assume it's RHernandez you meant? Can you edit please? Thanks!

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

I'm trying Yancy (I'm also trying to fix the spelling of final). I'm getting a weird error message, though.

I'll be out later for the holiday, but I'll keep trying to edit until either it works or I'm heading out for Yom Kippor services.