All Purpose Schaefer Discussion Thread

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Let's try to keep discussion of Schaefer voting consolidated in this thread. I want to avoid clutter in the actual voting threads because it only complicates the automated tallying.

Elster has issues with the points that Bannister is being awarded for the April 5 game:

Elster88 wrote: All right, we really need a class on how to award Schaefer. Glavine got 3.23 points for his performance on Opening Day. At least keep that in the back of your mind when voting for Bannister.

[Guest old original jb]

I thought we were going to talk about Schaefer.

Never actually tried one, but I always appreciated the transparency of their slogan "the one beer to have when you're having more than one".

[Elster88]

Oops. Didn't mean for a whole thread to be started.

[MFS62]

="Elster88"]Oops. Didn't mean for a whole thread to be started.

As they say on Law and Order, "you can't un-ring the bell".

Later

[Elster88]

I love that L&O bell.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Elster88 wrote: Oops. Didn't mean for a whole thread to be started.

Well, you do seem to have a lot to say about everyone else's voting. And, really, any non-vote that contains numeric characters complicates the tallying. It's a minor complication, but I don't want them to pile up.

[Elster88]

Sorry.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

In my mind, Bannister's point-costing walks, curveballs in the dirt and hit batsmen were redeemed somewhat by whiffing Royce Clayton with the tying run in scoring position on his 100something-ith pitch.

BTW I'm sure some fans would have strapped WWSB to a hibachi grill this morning had Clayton singled there, but as things turned out we needed every out -- and more -- we got from the pen last night, so that figured in my Schaefering, and reminds me we need a WWSB thread to record his points and demerits in 2006.

WWSB -- Point for patience with Bannister.

[Willets Point]

You know, I've never tasted Schaefer.

[Theoldmole]

Make it clear, make it Schaefer
Once you do, you always will
Make it clear, make it Schaefer,
Our hand has never lost its skill.

I don't think one needs to take into account the points one awarded Glavine in making one's Bannister award. It's a piece of a pie. If there are more good performances, each one is going to get about the same pointage -- 2.5 or so.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Well put, Mole. Glavine would have gotten more points had it not been for Nady. I wish he could have earned at least a 4.5.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

TransMonk voted for Franco for the game of April 6:

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=2872

Franco, however, didn't appear in the game, but he played a valuable role in the dugout.

What do we think? Should players who don't appear in the boxscore be eligible? If so, then should we allow votes for managers and coaches?

I'm inclined to say "no" to all of the above, but let's hear other opinions.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Franco should be leading all pointgetters in tonight's Pabst Blue Ribbon Good Cheer poll.

Schaefer is the one award to have when you're having time in play ... or something like that. Franco = ineligible.

[metirish]

i think we should make an exception tonight on Franco....he was a leader, surely worth a point .

[TransMonk]

I'll rescind the vote...I tend to agree with the point.

He did play a valuable role in the game on more than one occasion, and he is a player rather than a coach or manager...but his, as well as other players' contributions on the bench, probably happen more often than we ever see anyway and our votes should probably be confined to the numbers in the boxscore.

I'll switch his .5 vote to Bradford on edit.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

How about a pinchhitter in the batter's box whose presence causes the opposing pitcher to walk a batter who turns out to be the winning run, but the pinch-hitter gets himself pinchhit for and so doesn't get an at bat? Could such a person get a point? (I don't even know if my scenario makes much sense, but it's technically possible, I think). Same thing for a reliever warming up in the pen, whose presence causes the opposing manager to do something stupid: eligible or not eligible? Open the case, Shawnna.

[MFS62]

I awarded Franco .5 last night for his MVP (most valuable push). I think it will hopefully show Beltran thatthere really are fans out there who like him, and he will noe relax and just play his brand of ball.

Later

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

It had nothing to do with the outcome of the game, however. Right now I'm leaning towards discarding any Franco points for that game.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Also, please try to remember that last night's pitcher's last name is MARTINEZ. Pedro is actually his FIRST name. When voting for him, please refer to him as Martinez.

Thanks!

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

MFS62 wrote: I awarded Franco .5 last night for his MVP (most valuable push). I think it will hopefully show Beltran thatthere really are fans out there who like him, and he will noe relax and just play his brand of ball. Later

And how about if he would have pushed Beltran out there and some booing idiot would have spit in his eye, causing permanent blindness, but hopefully Beltran will come back with a digital directional signal chip implanted in his brain and play GG centerfield from 2009-2014 and then go on to manage in a way he never could have without that helpful push from Franco? You're not thinking of all the possible outcomes of that push, Elster. We're voting on future implications here, not voting on the outcome of this single game alone--oh, wait, that's exactly what we're doing.

[Elster88]

That's the second person to confuse MFS62 for me. We must look alike. Might be the CT thing.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

I even copied his "Later" tag. Sorry. I'm going to have my brain removed and rewired.

[Guest abogdan]

Do they still make Schaeffer? Or rather, does some large brewing conglomerate make beer that tastes nothing like the original but is sold under the brand name of Schaeffer?

[Guest *62]

you take a ring
and then another ring
and then another ring
and then you've got three rings, Ballantine !



sad song

[MFS62]

*62 wrote: you take a ring and then another ring and then another ring and then you've got three rings, Ballantine ! sad song

And the three rings stood for purity, body and flavor.

Hmmmm. One "62" responding to another "62".
Isn't that bordering on incest?

EDITS:

]Sorry. I'm going to have my brain removed and rewired

Bret. And you just left that line out there for someone to pounce on? I think there are folks here who would not only be in favor of that, but would pay good money to watch it happen. Might even cover the cost of the operation.

]That's the second person to confuse MFS62 for me. We must look alike. Might be the CT thing.

I dunno. Do you wear glasses?
Later

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

abogdan wrote: Do they still make Schaeffer? Or rather, does some large brewing conglomerate make beer that tastes nothing like the original but is sold under the brand name of Schaeffer?

Shaefer is made by Pabst, which used to be in Milwaukee but is now in San Antonio and brews all kinds of what they call "legacy" regional brands:

Pabst
Old Milwaukee
Old Style
Lone Star
Ranier
Colt 45
Sclitz
Schmidts
Ballantine
National Bohemian
Stroh's
Olympia
Piels
Carling Black Label
etc.

I get the impression its like the scene when Homer & Barney visit the Duff Brewery and see multiple beers all coming out of the same giant vat.

Scheafer in available in NY, NJ, DE, CT, DC, MD, MA, RI, NH & VT.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

From Thursday:

cleonjones11 wrote: Martinez 2 Beltran 1.5 Sanchez 1.5 LoDuca .5 Franco 1 Reyes 2 Hernandez .5 Nady .5 Wright 1

By Hernandez, do you mean Floyd?

[Guest holychicken]

I feel like the fact that we have to strictly use the last name of the player has really ripped the heart and soul out of these Schaefer polls.

*sniff sniff*

Seriously, I am just glad mietndsfojhsdfuvic isn't on the team anymore. . .well, not that he was getting that many points anyway.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Season-to-date totals for 2006
Through game of April 7, 2006

Name	Points
David Wright	5.61
Xavier Nady	4.86
Jos� Reyes	4.01
Carlos Delgado	3.92
Carlos Beltran	3.83
Steve Trachsel	3.55
Tom Glavine	3.23
Brian Bannister	2.41
Duaner Sanchez	1.87
Pedro Martinez	1.43
Paul LoDuca	1.30
Aaron Heilman	0.98
Billy Wagner	0.82
Cliff Floyd	0.77
Chad Bradford	0.31
Anderson Hernandez	0.23
Darren Oliver	0.06
Endy Chavez	0.01

[Centerfield]

To be clear, we are allowed to discuss how people voted in the thread itself so long as its after the actual votes right?

And discussion regarding the contest in general should be directed here?


(Is this post in the right thread?)