Seo for Sanchez

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's because you're not one of the administrator's pets.

[Elster88]

Nymr83 wrote: apparently we all know something Seo that omar doesn't....he's a better pitcher than the guy you got back!

In theory at least. Time will tell.

[Guest Hillbilly]

It looks to me based on the wedding pictures that I've seen that Jae is out of shape. This might have been a contributor to the Mets making him available. For a guy that lost his job a couple springs back, not staying in shape seems like a concern.

Overall I like this deal. Trade a back end of the rotation guy competing for the 4th or 5th spot, an area of depth, for a bullpen arm, a much thin part of the pitch staff.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

="Hillbilly"]IJae is out of shape.

Seems to me that's a mighty big portion size he's carrying back to the table.

[Elster88]

He's been that size throughout his Met career.

[Guest heep]

This is not a bad move, not great either. I do not know enough about Sanchez. We will have to wait and see how he performs.

The basis of this move is probably to keep Heilman and most likely give him a spot in the rotation. Smart. If Baez wants to close, we are going to lose him after this year. Omar is not dumb. My intuition tells me Omar wants Heilman for the long haul. If Heilman asked me to start I would start him. I'd rather have Heilman in the rotation than Seo, as all of you would. I think Heilman has more upside than Seo and will develop into a real smart pitcher. (FYI - nice read by Marty Noble on Heilman on www.mets.com.)

As a side note, I really hope Ring steps it up this year and fills out his potential. Maybe its his attitude that the Mets do not like? I remember when Alomar was on the block, Ring (former Team USA) was the player that the Sox were most relunctant to move. Wait and see.

Pedro Glavine Benson Trachsel Heilman

Zambrano Ring Bradford Bell Sanchez Wagner

[Elster88]

Ed Coleman says it's a done deal. We give up Hamulack and Seo for Sanchez and the guy who closed after Brazoban went down last year (Schmoll? Schmoe?)

I have yet to see it elsewhere.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Seo for Schmoe?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Steve Schmoll, He's another sidearmer.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's on the Dodgers web site:

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20060104&content_id=1291228&vkey=pr_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

Dodgers acquire Seo and Humalack from Mets for Sanchez and Schmoll
LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Dodgers General Manager Ned Colletti today announced that the club has acquired pitchers Jae Seo and Tim Hamulack from the New York Mets in exchange for pitchers Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll.
"With the addition of Seo and Hamulack, we have added some depth to our pitching staff," said Colletti. "Seo's had success as a starter and is another option for us in the rotation. He knows how to pitch and has a great work ethic. Hamulack has developed to the point of being a strong candidate for a left-handed role in our bullpen."

Seo, 28, went 8-2 with a 2.59 ERA in 14 starts with the Mets in 2005 and the right-hander posted a 5-0 record in eight starts at Shea Stadium. With a combined 15-6 overall record with the Mets and Triple-A Norfolk, Seo registered 170 strikeouts and 46 walks in 212 innings. The South Korea native was named the Mets' Pitcher of the Month in August with a 4-0 record and 1.75 ERA in five starts. His 1.30 ERA through seven starts in 2005 was the third lowest by a Mets pitcher through his first seven starts of a season (Frank Viola, 0.87 ERA to begin 1990; Nolan Ryan had a 1.05 ERA in 1971). At Triple-A Norfolk of the International League, Seo went 7-4 with a 4.29 ERA in 19 starts. Seo broke into the Major Leagues with New York in 2002 and has compiled a lifetime 22-24 record and 3.85 ERA in 71 games (66 starts).

Hamulack, 29, made his Major League debut in 2005 after making 382 Minor League appearances in 10 seasons. The left-hander went 2-2 with a 1.26 ERA and six saves in 21 games at Double-A Binghamton and 3-1 with a 1.02 ERA and six saves in 28 games at Triple-A Norfolk. In 64 innings overall, Hamulack registered 61 strikeouts, 15 walks and surrendered only one home run. The Mets purchased the New York native's contract on September 1 and he made his debut the following day against Florida, retiring the only batter he faced (Carlos Delgado). In six appearances with New York, Hamulack allowed six runs on seven hits in 2 1/3 innings and had no decisions.

Sanchez, 26, was 4-7 with a 3.73 ERA in 79 games for the Dodgers in 2005. He ranked tied for second in the National League in appearances and topped his previous career high of 67 games pitched in 2004. He assumed the closer's role in August and converted all eight of his save opportunities through the remainder of the season.

Schmoll, 25, originally was a non-drafted free agent who signed with Los Angeles in 2003 and made the 2005 Opening Day roster after an impressive Spring Training. He went 2-2 with a 5.01 ERA with three saves in 48 appearances. Schmoll also spent time at Triple-A Las Vegas and compiled a 0-3 record and 4.78 ERA with five saves in 22 games.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I don't think the Mets have a vision of entering the season with Zambrano as a bullpenner.

If the season breaks that way, where he's more use to them in the pen (like last year), that's one thing. But pencilling him in there in the offseason devalues him. I think they'll find room for him in their rotation or somebody else's.

They went into the offseason with nine guys with a strong starting case. They've shed two of the guys ahead of Heilman. They've shed one.

The advantage that Seo has over Heilman is that he finished (and finished strong) in the rotation. I don't think they'd demote him. He's either dealt or starting.

No wonder Benson's name comes up so much. Heilman and Seo are hard to deal well because their values are so unknowable and could bite somebody in the ass, Pedro's solid gold, Glavine and Trax have no-trade protection, Zambrano is coming off a disapponting finish, and Ishii had virtually no value.

[seawolf17]

Well, I guess at least they got two young, live arms. We'll see how this goes.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And 2006 has officially begun.

[Frayed Knot]

Baseball America's John Manuel during an on-line Q&A:

Q: Newsday is reporting that the Dodgers are sending Duaner Sanchez to the Mets for Jae Seo. As a Dodger fan can you give me a long term opinion on this and what we can expect from Seo if the deal goes thru?

John Manuel: Bullpen guys like Sanchez don't grow on trees, but they aren't hard to find either. The Dodgers got Sanchez on waivers, and he's fine, but nothing special. Same with Seo, but Seo can be a fourth or fifth starter type. If the Dodgers can afford the more-expensive Seo (and I'm sure they can), then I'd rather have Seo.


This chat was before the deal was official and before it was expanded to include the extra guys.
Essentially he's saying that he prefers Seo because of the starter vs. reliever thing and, while I'd tend to agree, the excess vs. need thing comes into play also.

Unfortunately, I know little about Sanchez and less about Schmoll.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Wow. It's beeen finalized. I was wondering if this one was actually going down. The Mets also get "Steve Schmoll" --- a player Jerry Lewis could love.

They've also reportedly signed Bret Boone to a minor-league deal.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Steve Schmoll, The Anti-Virus.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Does his name rhyme with "poll" or "doll"? (Just in case I have to parody him next year!)

[Elster88]

"Poll" from the radio announcers.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Schmoll, Schmazzle
Hossenfeffer Incorporated

[Diamond Dad]

Can't figure out how to format this. Sorry. Sanchez, although briefly becoming the Dodger's best option for closer (after Gagne was injured and Brazoban forgot how to throw strikes), his minor league numbers are not particularly impressive.

Year	Team	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	INN	H	R	ER	HR	HBP	BB	SO
1997	R-Arizona	4	4	5.13	21	6	0	0	1	59.2	57	50	34	3	2	48	44
1998	R-Arizona	2	3	1.79	14	8	1	0	1	50.1	36	19	10	0	7	24	44
1999	A-High Desert	0	0	7.53	3	3	0	0	0	14.1	15	13	12	2	1	9	9
1999	R-Missoula	5	3	3.13	13	11	0	0	0	63.1	54	34	22	3	3	23	51
2000	A-South Bend	8	9	3.65	28	28	4	0	0	165.1	152	80	67	6	11	54	121
2001	AA-El Paso	3	7	6.78	13	13	0	0	0	70.1	92	56	53	5	6	25	41
2001	A-Lancaster	2	4	4.58	10	10	1	0	0	59.0	65	44	30	7	7	18	49
2002	AA-El Paso	4	3	3.03	31	0	0	0	13	35.2	31	16	12	1	2	13	37
2002	AAA-Nashville	0	3	4.76	20	0	0	0	6	22.2	23	12	12	2	1	11	20
2002	AAA-Tucson	1	1	6.75	4	0	0	0	1	5.1	6	4	4	1	0	1	9
2003	AAA-Nashville	4	4	3.69	41	1	0	0	1	61.0	63	28	25	3	1	27	34

Seems like a so-so middle man. Of course, you need a middle man who can come in and get you a few outs in the 6th or 7th, and maybe this guy can, but his numbers are not impressive. Seems like we should have been able to get more for Seo.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

OTOH, by minor league numbers alone, Schmoll really rocked the casbah, vaulting from rookie ball to AAA in as year, tho he wuz a college graduate.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

It took balls. I like ballsy moves, when they show me that they had brains behind them, too, but everyone is looking to see if Sanchez's got game and/or if Seo does. Omar's got 'em hanging out there, for everyone to see.

I'm disappointed that he couldn't structure the deal to include Matsui, since LAD's one of his trade-me-to-them teams.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Speaking of balls, that Coleman's SUCH a fucking eunuch.

Now he starts bad-mouthing Seo, acknowledging it's obvious how little the front office felt about him, how somebody, probably Peterson, felt his stuff was too limited, how he didn't take instruction well, yyyybbb.

Up to this afternoon, he was all, "Well, Chris, I don't know, he is well thought of, I mean, sure, maybe not everyone, but, you know, he has pitched very well at times, and the Mets are aware of his upside, of course, who really knows..."

At two o'clock today, all the waffling and quibbling and qualifiying ended.

[Vic Sage]

2 more unexceptional RHed middle innings guys for our #4 SPer and one of our few LHed relievers.

if they were going to move seo anyway, i'd have just as soon they made the stupid Baez deal. He's better than Sanchez, at least.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Dodger Blues guy nicknamed Duaner "Dirty Sanchez". That makes me like the deal in itself.

[Guest sharpie]

A Boy Named Seo seems to like his namesake being traded to his neck o' the woods.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

This thread has just had its rating changed to "X."

[Zvon]

This may help address our surplusses and needs, but i dont like this deal on face value. Maybe this will pan out and favor us, and thats all i can hope.
Cause Seo as a chip could have been used much more wisely.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Is Schmoll adoptable? Or are players with MLB experience past the point of adoptability?

[Valadius]

I don't understand you, Omar. You've been making boneheaded deals of late. Something doesn't smell right.