Houston Astros vs. Chicago White Sox - World Series 2005

[Guest SwitchHitter]

Because THEY LEFT THE YANKEES.

[nymr83]

]McCarver: "And Joe, it's no coincidence that four former Yankees are starting in this World Series. This goes to show you the influence that a player like Derek Jeter has on a pitching staff...even years later, they're still exhibiting the benefits of having played next to him..."

i will turn the F****** TV off right then and there.

[Guest KC]

intangible influence would have been a nice touch

[Guest Edgy DC]

I've got no probs with Andy Pettitte.

I don't know how many peeps drafted by the Yankees would honestly refusee to sign.

I mean, I would, but I'm good that way.

[nymr83]

i dont have much against pettite, i just see him as the poster boy (before this year) for good pitchers being turned into cy young by the fans of their team, give him average run support as a yankee and he wouldn't look so great.
i hate clemens though.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Here's something I discovered today:

Mark Buhrle was a 38th-round draft pick.

Cliff Politte (2.00 ERA) was a 58th round draft pick.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

Edgy DC wrote: I've got no probs with Andy Pettitte. I don't know how many peeps drafted by the Yankees would honestly refusee to sign. I mean, I would, but I'm good that way.

I have no problem with Andy Pettitte either. He's one guy who could have remained with the Yankees and chose to go elsewhere. Good for him that he gets to play in a World Series that doesn't take place in the Bronx.

[Guest KC]

I may be getting Clemens and Pettitte confused, but Pettitte "could of" re-
mained with the Yanks? That's not how I remember it.

I haven't chimed in yet, but I don't care who wins. They're both good base-
ball stories regardless of who wins, franchise history wise. 1917, never been
- fun stuff.

Anyone see that graphic a couple of nights ago - the odds of the two sox
winning in '17 and '18 and then possibly winning in '04 and '05 with no wins
in between was like 1 in 18,000,000. How do you calculate that?

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

KC wrote: I may be getting Clemens and Pettitte confused, but Pettitte "could of" re- mained with the Yanks? That's not how I remember it.

They came back with an offer, I think it was less years/money and Pettitte I guess was getting sick of all the BS and decided enough was enough

He did have a farewell "speech" where he cried on Michael Kay's radio show and alot of fans/media were ripping him saying he was throwing away a "legacy" because I think he was closing in on the 2nd most wins by a lefty in Yankee history or something and now 46 probably won't be retired, no Monument Park, ect

Around the point where he left rumors were started that his arm wasn't "quite right" which were meant to "soften the blow"

Clemens was flat out retired after the final out of the World Series. Contract finished, the Yanks could not have made an attempt to resign him (unless they reached out to him during his "mulling over" stage)

But Andy in Houston, the thought of being "home" 99% of the time and the fact that he had a chance to help bring a youngish ballclub to the World Series brought The Rocket to Houston for yet another "Last Go Round"

Steve

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

Frayed Knot wrote: - - Biggio gets the 'most games played w/o a WS' tag taken off him. Not sure who gets it now? .

Steriod Ratty Palmerio, if he is still considered active. After Raffy, don't know off hand

[metirish]

Remember this cover..





only Moose remains..and what they got for some of the others is gone I think...

[Guest Edgy DC]

It probably reverts to the previous title holder --- Ernie Banks, right?

[Frayed Knot]

A lot depends on how you word the "title".
Someone (I think it was Jayson Stark) mentioned how Biggio has the most games under his belt for anyone making the series for the first time. IOW, others have played longer but never made a WS at all (Palmiero, Dawson, Williams, Banks).
And yeah, if Pamiero is still active (my guess is that he never plays again) then Biggio wasn't even the longest suffereing guy to begin with.

Not sure who the new "active" guy is.


On that cover:
Weaver went for Brown - and gee, didn't THAT work out well?
Pettitte went FA - although they got a draft pick out of it
Clemens "retired"
Contreras went for Estaban Loaiza
and Mussina went to shit!!!
And, if you remember, Wells was also on that staff but was feuding w/George that week and refused to be in the shot.

[HahnSolo]

Whenever you get two new teams in a World Series I always wonder who they'll get to throw out the ceremonial first pitches. Now, I haven't read who the Astros will use, though I'll be stunned in Nolan Ryan is not one of them, but I did see who the Pale Hose will trot out for games one and two.

For game one: poster boy for the Go Go Sox Luis Aparicio, who I believe is also a boyhood hero of Ozzie Guillen. Great choice.

Now, if you think about it, the White Sox history has been spotty enough that the second choice is not that obvious: perhaps a long-time productive White Sock like Harold Baines; maybe hall of famer Carlton Fisk; you could go back to guys like Wilber Wood; or even throw a bone to Frank Thomas, who, while persona non grata with the manager right now, is a 16-year member of the team and will have Sox on his cap when he goes into the Hall of Fame.

But I still can't believe who they decided to bring in for game 2...Bo Jackson. Now, the only enduring memory of Bo in a White Sox uniform I have is whining about not playing in the 93 ALCS, then going 0 for 11 when Lamont put him in there. I don't even believe his best days as a ballplayer were even in Chicago. I don't know why this bothers me so much, but I'd be annoyed if I were a White Sox fan.

[Willets Point]

Does Keenesaw Mountain Landis have any living descendants who can throw out 8 opening pitches?

[MFS62]

Willets Point wrote: Does Keenesaw Mountain Landis have any living descendants who can throw out 8 opening pitches?

Or Arnold Rothstein.

Aparicio is a fellow countryman of Ozzie - from Venezuela,

Later

[DocTee]

I heard they're trying to find a way to somehow include the oldest living Sox player, a 93 year old former middle infielder-- helluva lot better than Bo, IMO. (perhaps they can trade hip-replacement stories?)

[metirish]

The Wisdom of Ozzie

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Cap'n Douchebag allows the first run of the series, a solo shot by Dye.

1-0 White Socks

[Guest KC]

Not that anyone is gonna do IGT stuff, but freakin' FOX guys are already
going on about Yankee shit in the first inning until Jermaine Dye shuts them
up with a homer. The Yankees aren't playing, guys.

[Guest Edgy DC]

All-Time Leaders, Games Played Without a World Series Appearance

1) Rafael Palmeiro, 2,831 (Active)
2) Andre Dawson, 2,627
(Biggio, 2,564)
3) Ernie Banks, 2,528
4) Billy Williams, 2,488
5) Napoleon LaJoie, 2,480
6) Rod Carew, 2,469
7) Luke Appling, 2,422
8) Mickey Vernon, 2,409
9) Buddy Bell, 2,405
10) Jake Beckley, 2,386

In the interest of full disclosure, Beckley is a Hall-of-Famer, and I'd never heard of him until I looked this up.

[metirish]

Yeah and this new FoxTrax thing is more bullshit, Clemens up over 50 pitches, the trivia questing was "who was the last 300 game winner to start a WS game?"........

[metirish]

That's just great, we miss a home run by Crede because FOX was yapping with the pitching coach...4 - 3 Sox...

[Guest Edgy DC]

Bagwell just stepped into that pitch. It hit is back leg, for land's sakes.

This is a time when the ump shouldn't play "Don't make an unusual call, lest you decide the game."

Now his non-call might.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Capitol recording artist Liz Phair was Liz Phlat.

[metirish]

Astros not done yet, first and third with one out...

[metirish]

Threat over for now, Cotts and Jenks came in and got the outs, both have very nasty stuff.......Sox hitting in the 8th with one on and no outs..

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

So much for that long layoff for the Sox pen

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Edgy DC wrote: Capitol recording artist Liz Phair was Liz Phlat.

Trumpeter Chris Botti has tomorrow night's National Anthem honors - that should be better.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Liz did "God Bless America," even though her delivery blessed us not.