IGT 9/3/05 - Mets vs. Marlins

[Zvon]

Rotblatt wrote: Padilla had to get two outs and he got one. No excuse for walking Castillo but he DID get one out, Zvon. Willie's a fucking retard and couldn't manage a motherfuckng bullpen to save his life.

Im not defending his moves.
Im just tryin to ease the pain with my slant on things.
We can second guess this game all night in quite afew situations.

Reyes and cairo keep it alive.

Beltran.Time to get the big hit

[seawolf17]

Ah hell, it's Beltran.

Isn't Glavine available?

[Guest Rotblatt]

Big stupid cut by Beltran on a pitch high followed by a pitch right down the middle of the plate which Beltran takes.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Beltran, you no hitting flop. Time to earn your pay.*


* It worked for Cairo, maybe it will help now.

[Elster88]

He watched a fastball go down the middle of the plate for strike 2. Then a ball. 2-2 now.
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[seawolf17]

I still hat baseball.

[Elster88]

Well that's it for me. I'll check back in a week.
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[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Beltran grounds out to first to end another depressing game.

Apparently, Carlos is beyond reverse psychology.

This team is sinking fast.

[Valadius]

Until he proves otherwise, as punishment for being a dumbass, Willie Randolph will now be referred to by me as WWSB.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Ouch.

[duan]

manager has to hold his hand up there.

he got it wrong, not once but twice with the pen.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

duan wrote: the fact of the matter is that it didn't quite happen;

Hmmm... a late entry in our "Guess the Mets Slogan for 2006" contest. Very strong, Duan.

[Zvon]

ewww.
this was painful.

Carlos swings at the hi heat and watches a middle in fastball go by.
OWWWWWWWWWWWW.

This was a game we coulda shoulda won, and times running out.
How many,......27 games left?

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

[Zvon]

duan wrote: he got it wrong, not once but twice with the pen.

lol @ JD

Willie is developing this tag. I cant go thru another manager who has no finger on the pulse of his pitchers.Im sure Rick Peterson really makes those calls (thats what he's paid for), but bottomline, the buck stops with Willie.

He took a chance tonight, a chance I may have taken myself (nah, I woulda switched pitchers but not put Shingo in that specific spot), and it backfires bigtime on him.

Im sure he will say alot of what your hearin from me post game.
If this teams gonna hang and roll with the big boys even the smallest cogs will have to grease the wheel.

[Guest Rotblatt]

I really just blame WIllie on this.

Beltran hasn't hit all season long, yet he remains our number three hitter. Cairo hasn't hit all season long, yet remains in the lineup AND our number two hitter. Zambrano has been inconsistent, but remains in the rotation. Heilman has been fucking dominant all season, but only gets used in low-leverage situations. Bell has been solid, but only gets used in blow-outs.

It's not Beltran's fault. He's doing what he's done all season. Ditto with Cairo and Zambrano. Willie's not willing to make adjustments, and it's frankly indefensible, ESPECIALLY in a fucking pennant race.

Just to back up my "leverage" definitions, Heilman's LEV (from BP) is 0.64 and Bell's at 0.79. For comparison, Robo's is around 1.5 and Loop around 1.78.

Willie is a fucking retard and has single-handedly cost us the playoffs, from giving Ishii too many starts to playing Cairo to moving Heilman to the pen then letting him rot there to sending Seo back to the minors to never giving Beltran a day off and leaving him in the three hole to keeping Piazza for so long to not giving Petey enough extra days off . . .

Unfuckng believable. Shake something up, asshole. Anything. Call up some kids, switch up the lineup, get thrown out of a fucking game and fire up your goddamn players.

LEV is:

]Leverage measures how important the situations a reliever has been used in. A leverage of 1.00 is the same importance as the start of a game. Leverage values below one represent situations that are less important than the start of a game (such as mopup innings in a blowout). Leverage values above one represent situations with more importance (such as a closer protecting a one-run lead with bases loaded in the 9th inning). Mathematically, leverage is based on the win expectancy work done by Keith Woolner in BP 2005, and is defined as the change in the probability of winning the game from scoring (or allowing) one additional run in the current game situation divided by the change in probability from scoring (or allowing) one run at the start of the game.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

You poor fuckers. I feel for you. Sincerely. A loss like this has got to eat you alive.

Was it my imagination or did this game go on forever? It seemed to me I picked the game up in progress (I was in at work where the radio reception is very spotty), then I walked over Brooklyn Bridge, got in my car, drove to Forest Hills, went shopping, and by the time I got upstairs the game was in the eighth inning. My first thought was "Doubleheader?"

Was there a rain delay or something?

[Elster88]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: You poor fuckers. I feel for you. Sincerely.

You sound sincere, referring to a large group of people as fuckers.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Thanks, Sal! I appreciate sympathy in games like this from a Sox fan, because y'all have suffered so much. Bucky Dent, Bill Buckner, Aaron Boone, McGrady . . .

Tragic moments forever imprinted on your brain, I'm sure, during your long-suffering years following the Sox.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Can I refer to a small bunch of you as "fuckers"? Re-form in small groups, and I'll refer to all of you fornicators (is that okay?) as Elster requests.

I don't know how to kiss your asses the correct way. I really feel sorry for you guys (not that I'm upset, as I would be if I was rooting for the Mets) and if you want to hear my commisseration as mocking you, I don't know what I can do about it.

[Elster88]

]Willie is a fucking retard and has single-handedly cost us the playoffs,

I think this is just going way too far though. This is not a playoff team.

[Elster88]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Can I refer to a small bunch of you as "fuckers"? Re-form in small groups, and I'll refer to all of you fornicators (is that okay?) as Elster requests. I don't know how to kiss your asses the correct way. I really feel sorry for you guys (not that I'm upset, as I would be if I was rooting for the Mets) and if you want to hear my commisseration as mocking you, I don't know what I can do about it.

I prefer copulators.

Seriously, if you want to express sincere heartfelt sympathies, why not just say "I feel sorry for you."? Why add the tag fuckers? Not that I'm that thin-skinned, I'm not going to cry over the word fuckers.

It just seems as a weird thing to say in a post where you're saying you feel bad for people, and I think it's not hard to see how it could be taken for mocking when you say fuckers. If you didn't mean it in a sarcastic way, then I misread you and I apologize.

[Guest Rotblatt]

How can you possibly say that, Elster? Despite Willie's gross incompetance, we're STILL only 3.5 games out of the wild card slot. Don't you think that giving Seo 7 or 8 of Ishii's starts would have netted us a game or two? Or that using Heilman in close games instead of Aybar or DeJean would have gotten us a game or two?

And how about replacing Cairo with a kid with some range?

I'm not so sure how much altering the lineup would have helped in terms of winning more games, but it sure wouldn't have hurt.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

It's cool, Elster. After certain losses, my best friend could say "Gosh, that's a tough one" and I'd scream, "Fuck you, asshole, what do you know about 'tough'? Shut the fuck up, and get out of my face," and then I'd proceed to get abusive and personal. Generally, it took me an hour or two not to read pretty much anything as sarcastic.

And Rot: I've just been a real (primary-rooting-interest) Sox fan these last few months, so I didn't really take that stuff too much to heart. But thanks just the same.

[Zvon]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Was there a rain delay or something?

there was a pregame rain delay of like 25 minutes,you poor uninformed fucker. :wink:

that was a tuff one.
And I hear ya Rotblatt and Elster.
I choose not to hear you, Bret.

[Elster88]

Rotblatt wrote: How can you possibly say that, Elster? Despite Willie's gross incompetance, we're STILL only 3.5 games out of the wild card slot. Don't you think that giving Seo 7 or 8 of Ishii's starts would have netted us a game or two? Or that using Heilman in close games instead of Aybar or DeJean would have gotten us a game or two? And how about replacing Cairo with a kid with some range? I'm not so sure how much altering the lineup would have helped in terms of winning more games, but it sure wouldn't have hurt.

Not really. The problem with this team is not all of that as much as the fact that we can't hit. That isn't Willie's fault. Sure, if he had made every decision perfectly we might be better off.

But let's not forget that Bert and Loopy lost two leads in Milwaukee, and then there's opening day, and then there's the other games the bullpen lost Petey's leads. Not to put all the blame on the bullpen, but that's just a few examples where the players didn't perform. (I think overall the bullpen has been average to above average.

There have also been plenty of instances of 1-0 losses or 2-1 losses. As frustrated as I am with Willie, I think to blame him for missing the playoffs is silly and probably just a reaction to today's mismanagement. The lineup is the problem. I really think one huge bat (*cough* Delgado *cough*) would've been what pushed us into the playoffs, not a different manager.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Elster, we're fifth in the league in Runs Scored. In terms of ERA, WHIP, K/9, we've got one of the better pens in the league. We've given up the 5th fewest runs in the league.

By RS & RA, we should have won 5 games more than we have so far.

We CAN hit, and we HAVE hit enough to be leading the WC race in a piss-poor league like the one we're in now.

What I'm saying is that the X factor has been WIllie, and that his many poor choices have cost us at least a couple of games--the couple we'd need to be leading the WC race.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Elster and Rotblatt--don't fight. You're both right.

WWSB is a rookie, and not a precocious one. He's made more than his share of stupid calls, and it's an open question as to what his potential really is. He's definitely cost them more games than he's won for them (over your average MLB manager, that is.)

But he didn't have a very good squad to work with either. The ownership cheaped out, decided to go with two big FA signings when the team needed at least three to compete, and they threw Willie in with the sharks, hoping he'd tread water through late september and you p.f.s would buy tickets until they got eliminated. IMO, you only got this far because the rest of the division had its problems playiing much above .500--most years, some team will burst out of the pack by early August.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I think team OBP in our case speaks louder than RS.

WWSB hasn't helped much in that regard, and made some questionable decisions, but let's go easy on the wound-licking: We're not a great team. Philly and Florida over the last week have given us what we've earned pretty much.

[Elster88]

Rotblatt wrote: Elster, we're fifth in the league in Runs Scored. In terms of ERA, WHIP, K/9, we've got one of the better pens in the league. We've given up the 5th fewest runs in the league. By RS & RA, we should have won 5 games more than we have so far. We CAN hit, and we HAVE hit enough to be leading the WC race in a piss-poor league like the one we're in now. What I'm saying is that the X factor has been WIllie, and that his many poor choices have cost us at least a couple of games--the couple we'd need to be leading the WC race.

I think Runs Scored is a flawed stat to use in measuring a team's offensive capabilites. We put up 34 runs in two games against shitty pitching. Then what happened as soon as we hit San Fran and Philly? Was it like 8 runs in 5 games?