6 man rotation

[Elster88]

ERA is cumulative for the whole year.

WHIP is each game's total WHIP, up until the total which is cumulative WHIP.

JAE SEO	GAME	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	WHIP
4/23	WAS	1	0	1.50	1	1	0	0	0	0	6	6	1	1	0	0	4	1.00
4/29	@WAS	0	1	3.27	1	1	0	0	0	0	5	3	3	3	3	1	2	0.80
5/4	PHI	1	0	2.00	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	1	0	0	0	2	8	0.43
8/6	CHN	1	0	1.42	1	1	0	0	0	0	7.1	4	0	0	0	1	4	0.70
8/13	@LAN	1	0	1.35	1	1	0	0	0	0	8	5	1	1	0	1	6	0.75
8/19	WAS	1	0	1.09	1	1	0	0	0	0	8	4	0	0	0	2	5	0.75
8/24	@ARI	1	0	1.30	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	7	2	2	0	0	2	1.00
		6	1	1.30	7	7	0	0	0	0	48.1	30	7	7	3	7	31	0.77

[Elster88]

New York Post:

]Not that it's necessarily going to happen, but Victor Zambrano, who pitched well on Tuesday night, said he would be OK if the Mets took him out of the rotation. Said Zambrano, "I'm ready to do what I can do to help the team." He said he would have "no problem" pitching out of the bullpen.

[Elster88]

ERA is cumulative for the whole year, up until the total, which is only the post-ASB cumulative ERA.

WHIP is each game's total WHIP, up until the total which is post-ASB WHIP.

PEDRO MARTINEZ	POST-ASB	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	WHIP
7/17	ATL	1	0	2.60	1	1	0	0	0	0	6	2	0	0	0	0	5	0.33
7/23	LAD	1	0	2.79	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	8	5	5	1	2	4	1.43
7/28	@HOU	0	0	2.76	1	1	0	0	0	0	8	4	2	2	1	3	8	0.88
8/3	MIL	0	0	2.81	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	8	3	3	1	2	8	1.43
8/9	@SD	0	1	3.00	1	1	0	0	0	0	5	9	5	5	2	0	4	1.80
8/14	@LAD	0	1	2.96	1	1	1	0	0	0	8	2	2	2	1	1	5	0.38
8/20	WAS	0	0	2.86	1	1	0	0	0	0	6	6	0	0	0	0	4	1.00
8/25	@ARI	1	0	2.77	1	1	0	0	0	0	6	2	0	0	0	4	6	1.00
		3	2	2.89	8	8	1	0	0	0	53.0	41	17	17	6	12	44	1.10

[Guest ABG]

Just want to state for the record my opinion that, even though it worked out fine, Willie should've pitched Trax last night and Pedro tonight. We should really be looking for ways to get Pedro more rest here and there, and this was an opportunity missed IMO.

[Frayed Knot]

Supposedly that was discussed but Pedro - who only threw 70-some
pitches last time out - asked specifically to stay on his regular turn.

[seawolf17]

By the way... 6 2/3 from Glavine today and the $8 million option vests for '06. Root for six and out, people!

[smg58]

I think we have to accept that he's sticking around. He's logging enough innings to suggest that he'll get the 200 IP and the full contract. At least he's been pitching well lately. So he stays and keeps a seat warm for Petit. Not my first choice, but if he earns it with a strong finish I'll live with it.

That still leaves one unset spot in next year's rotation, the way I see it. Do you try to deal Zambrano? (Do you try to do it before Sept. 1?) Do you pick up Trachsel's option, or buy him out? Do you make room for either Heilman or Bannister? Do you try to outbid people for Burnett?

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think any deal the Mets make will have the primary purpose of helping the team this year. Taking advantage of the redundancy in the starting rotation to help the seeming shortcoming in the pen seems obvious.

But it's not a situation that has to be solved by a trade.

Great tabling.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I'm afraid Benson is hurt.

He was killed in his last start, so much so that Gary & Howie thought he was tipping pitches but that never came up afterward. The last time Benson was so beaten up, he was put on the DL with a bad shoulder.

The subsequent response -- to give him an extra TWO days on top of the short outing, suggests something isn't right.

Marty Noble reported the other day that "sources" said Benson's shoulder was bad, denied by the Mets... then comes news today he was "sluggish" in a bullpen session.

No moves made to address the 6-man rotation as yet.

[Elster88]

STEVE TRACHSEL	GAME	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	WHIP
AUG 26	@SF	1	0	0.00	1	1	0	0	0	0	8	2	0	0	0	2	6	0.50

[smg58]

Obviously if there's any doubt about Benson, dealing now is no option. Funny how six starters can seem like not enough sometimes.

[Gwreck]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: No moves made to address the 6-man rotation as yet.

On the WFAN broadcast, Gary and Howie said that they expect Seo-Pedro-Glavine in the Phillies series, and then quite possibly Zambrano as the starter in the first game against the Marlins (due to his past successes against the Marlins).

So I guess this means the 6 man rotation is still alive? Presumably Trachsel and Benson would finish up the series against the Marlins -- only other choice would be to start Seo again for the final game.

[Guest PiazzaFan411]

I think the six man rotation is great. They'll be able to get some more wins for different style teams.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

You must be mistaken. We were told that Randolph doesn't favor the 6-man rotation, so we can bet the farm that that's an option that's not happening. The Mets will make a firm decision and that decision will be what they'll do.

[Frayed Knot]

The announced rotation for the Philly series is: Seo -- Pedro -- Glavine


Those first two are 'on turn' but Zambrano gets pushed back for a still to be determined amount of time, plus Trax gets at least one extra day of rest following his first official start of the year.

[Zvon]

uh-oh.
I dont like that. Trash goin to the pen.
He always gives ya 6 win or lose. Usually keep you in the game.........
This cant be about the Zambrano/Kasmir thing.
Kazmir hasnt pitched well enuff that we should regret that trade.

No sir, i dont like that move at all.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

This is where I question the Mets' testicularity (or their scouting acumen). If trax is pitching well in rehab games, swap a friggen starter, and hope Trax continues pitching well. Fill in a hole--it's not as if this team doesn;t have any, for chrissake!

They love to play it safe, to have all of their decisiojns made ofr them, which is a luxury they can't afford, the way this team is put together. They're managing their roster like they were the 1927 Yankees, but they're playing like the 1992 Yankees.

[Elster88]

Zvon wrote: Trash goin to the pen.

Where did you hear this?

[Guest OlerudOwned]

Joel Sherman of the Post suggested the Mets take Seo out of the rotation and use him as a 2 inning closer, 3 times a week. At that point, I proceeded to set fire to my copy of the Post.


EDIT: I was typing without my brain, piss poor typing.

[Guest Edgy DC]

There's something to that though. But the problem is... why Seo? Why not Zambrano or Benson or Glavine? The answer stinks, but it's that they have more leverage to bitch about it.

I'm a little crazy oldskool, but if I ran the world, or a baseball team, I'd be routinely rotationg guys in and out of the rotation any time they had a few bad starts. Billy Martin, apart from abusing the Hell out of young arms in Oakland, as Yankee manager, used to give Ron Guidry a week or two in the bullpen if he hit a few bumps in an otherwise successful season. (Maybe it was Howser, or Lemon. Who knew with those teams.) Back in the day, it also wasn't out of the question for a manager to deal with a slump by a top reliever by giving him a start or two.

The conventions of modern times have made it more difficult for a guy to pitch his way into the rotation. Firstly, once upon a time, if a guy stepped into a spot with a great start (as has happened three times for the Mets this season), the team would say "great" and make sure they start him again in that double-header in Montreal next week. Nowadays, that double-header rarely comes, so a team has only that one start to decide if the player really turned a corner or merely caught lightning in a bottle.

Secondly, the contracts and leverage that the modern player has put him in a positiion to make a nuisance of himself if he gets assigned to an unfamiliar spot. As much as I feel for Trachsel's situation (and pretty much think he should get a crack at Zambrano's spot), his agent should not really be involved in the conversation.

On Planet Edgy, there'd be double-headers every Sunday.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Where I do sign up for the spaceship to planet Edgy?

[Guest Rotblatt]

On Planet Edgy, there must not be a baseball union . . .

Can you give Sal & me a two-for-one deal?

[Elster88]

Catching up on Benson. I'll be periodically updating all the posts already posted for an ongoing look at how everyone's doing.


ERA is cumulative for the whole year, up until the total which post-ASB ERA.

WHIP is each game's total WHIP, up until the total which is post-ASB WHIP.

KRIS BENSON	POST-ASB	W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SHO	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	WHIP
7/14	ATL	0	0	3.57	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	5	3	2	1	0	7	0.71
7/19	SD	0	0	3.40	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	5	1	1	1	2	4	1.00
7/24	LA	1	0	3.14	1	1	0	0	0	0	8	4	0	0	0	1	5	0.63
7/29	@HOU	0	1	3.40	1	1	0	0	0	0	5.1	6	5	5	3	3	6	1.76
8/4	MIL	0	0	3.72	1	1	0	0	0	0	5	11	6	6	0	2	2	2.60
8/10	@SD	1	0	3.54	1	1	0	0	0	0	8.1	3	1	1	0	1	6	0.49
8/16	PIT	1	0	3.49	1	1	0	0	0	0	7	7	2	2	0	2	3	1.29
8/21	WAS	0	1	3.89	1	1	0	0	0	0	0.2	8	6	6	0	0	0	40.0
8/28	@SF	0	1	3.91	1	1	0	0	0	0	6	7	3	3	2	2	2	1.50
		3	3	4.31	9	9	0	0	0	0	54.1	56	27	26	7	13	35	1.28

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[seawolf17]

This is great work, Elster. Create a table for a man, you get one nice table. Teach a man to use HTML, and he'll feed us for a season.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Know what I love? The man is vigilent about using that cellpadding="0" tag.

[Elster88]

Cut and paste all day. I forget who taught me the Excel trick (Yancy?), but thanks to Edgy for the formatting tags.

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[Guest ABG]

Sounds like the rumor mill is starting to churn--Details on metsblog.com

Something about the Sox (natch) and Millar or Olerud/RP

[Elster88]

]Glavine (10-12) had lost to the Giants, 2-1, in San Francisco on Saturday, and now has lost 2-1, 2-0, 2-1, 2-1 and 3-1 in his last 10 starts. He has allowed eight runs in those five losses.

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