NY Mets to get new stadium says Bloomberg

[Frayed Knot]

MFYs are going to release the plans for their new crib tomorrow (Wed) - also due to open in '09.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

="soupcan"]1. Symmetrical - it should be a pitcher's park with at least the same dimensions as Shea has now. Pitching and defense is, after all, our tradition. 2. Don't mind the retro look. I'd rather have that then a SkyDome type of structure. 3. Ideally I'd like it to be called Shea Stadium but that's not gonna happen. So if I have to pick a sponsor let's pick one with a 'real' name. Like Miller Park or Coors Field. Not necessarily a beer (Rheingold Field would be pretty fucking cool, no?) but a company with a name instead of Citicorp Park or MetLife Stadium. 4. I did like the model they wheeled out a few years back sans the roof. What is so bad about this...?

Every other team in baseball with a new stadium has a park that looks exactly like that?

That left field double notch thing makes me want to puke. Old parks were asymmsterical because of space constraints and the fact they were continually added onto over time. New Shea will have neither of these.

And with Skydome I raise thee with Miller Park.

[Guest Iubitul]

Joan Whitney Payson Park.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

The Times today sez the Mets and Yanxxx will use the same firm to design the parks -- HOK Sports, which designs all the other parks.

One thing to watch over the next 4 years will be the competition between them to create the better facility.

[Guest ABG]

]The Times today sez the Mets and Yanxxx will use the same firm to design the parks -- HOK Sports, which designs all the other parks. One thing to watch over the next 4 years will be the competition between them to create the better facility.

The Yankees are going to be using the same dimensions as they currently have, so that will be a substantial difference.

One of the things that really works about some of the new stadiums and not others is the "believability" of nooks and crannies. The right field just at PacBell works because it's pushed up against the wharf (as does the short porch at Camden because of the warehouse), whereas the stupid CF in Houston is just there to be there.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: The Times today sez the Mets and Yanxxx will use the same firm to design the parks -- HOK Sports, which designs all the other parks. One thing to watch over the next 4 years will be the competition between them to create the better facility.

HOK's designs have gotten continually worse. Optimistic, I am not.

]One of the things that really works about some of the new stadiums and not others is the "believability" of nooks and crannies. The right field just at PacBell works because it's pushed up against the wharf (as does the short porch at Camden because of the warehouse), whereas the stupid CF in Houston is just there to be there.

One of the interesting things about Pac Bell is that it really is a ballpark modeled after old ballparks. It's actually crammed into a city block. Most parks are between 14-16 acres, Pac Bell is just 12 1/2.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

Wow. The Yanks are going to build a new Comiskey Park.

I'd rather have Ebbets Field Jr in Queens than this.

[Guest Rotblatt]

I like that they have not one but two places that fans have to queue at before they can enter the Stadium's hallowed grounds.

That's awfully convenient.

Do you think its nickname will be "The House That Cano Built"?

[metirish]

What's the horrible tent like structure in CF?, maybe George's office ,anway not one bit impressed with that, and the same company is going to build the Mets new place.....interesting

[soupcan]

]And with Skydome I raise thee with Miller Park.

Are you saying that you like this place? Holy crap - it looks a Giant Squidlike Creature is having sex with it.







As to this piece of ugliness - it looks like a giant toilet bowl inside a train station

[Vic Sage]

the 160$M the city will have to kick in actually SAVES the city money, because otherwise we're contractually bound to provide upgrades for Shea that have been estimated at $200m. So, since Freddie is paying, I'm all for a new stadium. Because, as i've said on many occasions, Shea is a shithole.

as for the look of the new stadium --

I'm against arbitrary asymmetry. Thats justa lotta crap.

I'm for a dome, so i don't broil in July-august or freeze on opening day and during playoffs.

I'm for a pitcher's park, but with very little foul territory, so the seats can be close to the action. This means deep fences.

I'm for parking closer to the stadium, with multiple multi-level garages with numerous entrances/exits.

I'm for a 45,000-50,000 capacity, as long as the seats all face the infield, and aren't so far under an overhang as to create obstructed views.

I'm for an authentic multi-ethnic food court (like Eutaw St at Camden, but better) located where the chop shops are now, to add a requisite Queensian element.

I'm for naming it Rheingold Park, but howabout Kiner's Korner? I frankly don't care what they name it if selling the naming rights generates significant enough revenue to pay for better players.

Whether the stadium ends up being labeled "modern" or "retro" or is something indescribable doesn't really matter to me, as long as the design recalls both the Dodger/Giants roots of the team (celebrating the history of NL baseball in nyc), the uniquely Metsian early 60s World's Fair design concepts in which the team originated, and 21st century technology for comfort and utility.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

]Are you saying that you like this place? Holy crap - it looks a Giant Squidlike Creature is having sex with it.

More like that's a stadium which is unquestionably uglier than SkyDome.

Something I find kinda interesting is that HOK hasn't had a hit ballpark in years, and people keep going to them.

The Mets really need to use someone new that will design a fresh ballpark.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

soup - I scrolled down quickly so the little guy wouldn't see your description of Miller Park (but I think it's freakin' hysterical!), but he totally agrees with your assessment of the proposed new home for the MFYs.

[Willets Point]

Artist's rendition of Steinbrenner's new Yankee Stadium during construction, circa 2007-08

[Guest ABG]

It looks exactly like Soldier Field in Chicago. Which is hideous.

At least with Soldier Field, they built a crappy bowl inside of an EXISTING outside structure.

Lousy cheap ass org--hire a real architectural firm NOW!!!!!!!!!!

[Frayed Knot]

I just remembered one other thing I don't want in the new stad ... a situation where there are numerous disputed HR calls because you're not sure whether the ball crossed "over the yellow line" or met some other such idiotic condition. Make it have fences where either it's a fargin HR or it's not. I don't want any conferences of umps flipping coins.



Not only is that Miller Park roof ugly - but it doesn't work either.
It leaks, plus the mechanism is screwed up to the point where it takes so long to open/close that they have to make the call before the game starts.

[Guest Edgy DC]

How perfect that the Yankees have a stadium concept that (1) includes a fa�ade that is purely image and has nothing to do with the infrastructure behind it, and (2) has an open raised concourse inside the fa�ade that allows the Yankee fan, for $49, to stroll in the Bronx, without having to, you know, stroll in the Bronx -- perched elitely above it all.

Leave it to them to turn the freaking complex into a gated community.

[metsmarathon]

="Edgy DC"]How perfect that the Yankees (1) have a stadium concept that includes a fa�ade that is purely image and has nothing to do with the infrastructure behind it, and (2) has an open raised concourse inside the fa�ade that allows the Yankee fan, for $49, to stroll in the Bronx, without having to, you know, stroll in the Bronx -- perched elitely above it all. Leave it to them to turn the freaking complex into a gated community.

ding! we have a winner!

[Frayed Knot]

]What's the horrible tent like structure in CF?, maybe George's office

More likely some restaurant/lux suites area.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Thanks, but my syntax was awful.

[nymr83]

]the 160$M the city will have to kick in actually SAVES the city money, because otherwise we're contractually bound to provide upgrades for Shea that have been estimated at $200m.

An interesting point which i had not heard before. I'm always in favor of saving taxpapyer money, though i usually have no problem with the city providing infrastructure improvements as long as they aren't paying for the park itself.


heres my wish-list:
1. pitcher's park with at least the same dimensions as Shea to all fields. deeper is fine too.
2. open-air in the outfield (ie..not a football stadium) so that the wind can kill fly-balls as it always has and always should.
3. lots of foul ground. i can't afford front row anyway so what do i care how far away it is? the view from the upper deck will be the same either way, and the view from the mound will be much nicer when balls that should be long strikes become outs instead.
4. bleacher seats open to the public more than one night a week.
5. some sort of tribute to Murphy (and eventually Kiner)
6. a place for Seaver's number that actually has room next to it for other numbers...you know, as if we are actually gonna retire one again some day.
7. affordable tickets, currently $5 upper deck seats are available to select (read: shitty) weeknight games. this had better continue, its a welcome change and as a real fan i could care less about the opponents, i'm fine with seeing the brewers at $5 over seeing the Yankees or Giants at $18 a seat.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

You can't honor Murphy and Kiner without honoring Lindsey Nelson, too.

A relief sculpture of the three of them together, holding microphones, would be a nice thing to have in the stadium lobby somewhere.

[metsmarathon]

Edgy DC wrote: Thanks, but my syntax was awful.

syntax, shmyntax. you got the funny-looking "�" in "fa�ade" - that's good enough for me.

[metirish]

A first look at the new Mets stadium...I really hope we don't get the 2012 games, this thing looks horrible..

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

That's one deep left field.

Maybe HOK needs to get out of the stadium business.

They should hire I.M. Pei or someone like that.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I.M. Pei is a fraud.

That leftfield part of that stadium is to be temporary -- only for the Olympics. It's to be reconstructed after the Olympics to configure more with the needs of it's permanent tenants.

[metirish]

true Train,I'd like to see a drawing of the Stadium that's just for baseball.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I read somewhere that the HOK guys the Mets are talking to is the same "team" that did Turner Field. Not sure if that's true.

From an article:

The stadium would be located a projected 17 minutes from the proposed Queens West Olympic Village site.

If the 7 runs express and skips every station.

[Guest SI Metman]

Dark Blue is Baseball infrastructure, purple is Olympics infrastructure.