Our Mets Hall of Fame - Removal Election 3

[Cowtipper]

It is strongly encouraged that you also list who you voted for in the thread. I have made votes public so we can keep easier track of the vote totals. 

Last chance for Benny Agbayani, Wally Backman, Armando Benitez, Ken Boswell and Hubie Brooks!

On another baseball forum, I ran a project cleverly titled "Our Mets Hall of Fame." As you can see, it is a fairly inclusive Hall; we considered not just stats, but how players contributed to the overall Mets story, lore, ethos etc.

Well, I left that forum as I was spending too much time there, but the desire to continue this project never went away. To contour this project more to this community's views and standards, I'm going to run a series of elections to see who folks want to REMOVE from it; since I don't want to see it completely stripped, I'll set the qualifying percentage for removal at 75%, just like the real Hall's standard for election.* I'll do ten names at a time, one poll per week, and you can select up to five names per poll. We can do holdovers for up to three** ballots. 5% will be the cutoff there, also just like the real Hall.

*That'll require some finagling to figure out 75% due to how the polls here do percentages, but we'll figure it out. **I originally had 10, but that seemed like too many. ***then I lowered it to three.

Then we'll eventually run a series of polls to actually elect people -- the old website got us up to the Mets through 2024, so basically all we'll have to do is 2025 (and probably 2026), so we have time before we get too far behind. Then in the long-winding convoluted process of projects like this, we'll likely do Veterans Committees where we'll reanalyze players not elected, previously removed, etc. some time in the future, as by then the standards of the project here will have been more formally established and some of the players we previously booted might want to be reconsidered.

Hall of Fame Stats

# of players in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 98

# of players elected by regular election: 71

# of players elected by Veteran's Committee: 27

# of managers in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 7

# of coaches in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 19

# of coaches elected by Veterans Committee: 2

# of executives in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 14

# of announcers in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 7

# of contributors in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 5

Avg. # of players elected during each regular election: 0.99

Avg. # of players elected during each Veteran's Committee election: 0.79

Avg. # of managers elected during each election: 0.70

Avg. # of coaches elected during each regular election: 0.77

Avg. # of coaches elected during each Veteran's Committee election: 1

Avg. # of executives elected during each election: 1.08

Avg. # of announcers elected during each election: 0.88

Avg. # of contributors elected during each election: 1.67

Players Elected by Primary Decade (in terms of games played)

Players in italics elected via Veterans Committee

1960s (9): Roger Craig, Gil Hodges, Ron Hunt, Al Jackson, Art Shamsky, Ron Swoboda, Ron Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marv Throneberry

1970s (22): Tommie Agee, Ken Boswell, Donn Clendenon, Doug Flynn, Wayne Garrett, Gary Gentry, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Steve Henderson, Ron Hodges, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Ed Kranepool, Skip Lockwood, Jon Matlack, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, John Milner, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub, John Stearns, Craig Swan

1980s (22): Wally Backman, Hubie Brooks, Gary Carter, Ron Darling, Lenny Dykstra, Sid Fernandez, George Foster, Dwight Gooden, Keith Hernandez, Howard Johnson, Dave Kingman, Ray Knight, Terry Leach, Lee Mazzilli, Roger McDowell, Kevin McReynolds, Bob Ojeda, Jesse Orosco, Doug Sisk, Darryl Strawberry, Tim Teufel, Mookie Wilson

1990s (10): Edgardo Alfonzo, David Cone, John Franco, Todd Hundley, Bobby J. Jones, Dave Magadan, John Olerud, Rey Ordonez, Rick Reed, Turk Wendell

2000s (16): Benny Agbayani, Carlos Beltran, Armando Benitez, Endy Chavez, R.A. Dickey, Carlos Delgado, Pedro Feliciano, Cliff Floyd, Tom Glavine, Al Leiter, Mike Piazza, Jose Reyes, Johan Santana, Robin Ventura, Billy Wagner, David Wright

2010s (13): Yoenis Cespedes, Bartolo Colon, Michael Conforto, Jacob DeGrom, Lucas Duda, Jeurys Familia, Wilmer Flores, Curtis Granderson, Matt Harvey, Daniel Murphy, Jon Niese, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler

2020s (6): Pete Alonso, Edwin Diaz, Francisco Lindor, Seth Lugo, Jeff McNeil, Brandon Nimmo

--Players Elected Via Regular Ballot by Primary Decade

1960s (3): Gil Hodges, Ron Hunt, Ron Swoboda

1970s (14): Tommie Agee, Donn Clendenon, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Ed Kranepool, Skip Lockwood, Jon Matlack, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub, John Stearns

1980s (15): Wally Backman, Gary Carter, Ron Darling, Lenny Dykstra, Sid Fernandez, Dwight Gooden, Keith Hernandez, Howard Johnson, Dave Kingman, Ray Knight, Lee Mazzilli, Roger McDowell, Jesse Orosco, Darryl Strawberry, Mookie Wilson

1990s (8): Edgardo Alfonzo, David Cone, John Franco, Bobby J. Jones, John Olerud, Rey Ordonez, Rick Reed, Turk Wendell

2000s (13): Carlos Beltran, Endy Chavez, R.A. Dickey, Carlos Delgado, Pedro Feliciano, Tom Glavine, Al Leiter, Mike Piazza, Jose Reyes, Johan Santana, Robin Ventura, Billy Wagner, David Wright

2010s (12): Yoenis Cespedes, Bartolo Colon, Michael Conforto, Jacob DeGrom, Lucas Duda, Jeurys Familia, Wilmer Flores, Curtis Granderson, Matt Harvey, Jon Niese, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler

2020s (6): Pete Alonso, Edwin Diaz, Francisco Lindor, Jeff McNeil, Brandon Nimmo, Seth Lugo

--Players Elected Via Veterans Committee by Primary Decade

1960s (6): Roger Craig, Al Jackson, Art Shamsky, Ron Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marv Throneberry

1970s (8): Ken Boswell, Doug Flynn, Wayne Garrett, Gary Gentry, Steve Henderson, Ron Hodges, John Milner, Craig Swan

1980s (7): Hubie Brooks, George Foster, Terry Leach, Kevin McReynolds, Bob Ojeda, Doug Sisk, Tim Teufel

1990s (2): Todd Hundley, Dave Magadan

2000s (3): Benny Agbayani, Armando Benitez, Cliff Floyd

2010s (1): Daniel Murphy

--Players Elected With 100% of the Vote on the First Regular Ballot (9)

Pete Alonso, Dwight Gooden, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Keith Hernandez, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Jose Reyes, David Wright

--All Other Players Elected With 100% of the Vote (Not on the First Regular Ballot, by Veterans Committee, etc.) (11)

Bartolo Colon, Michael Conforto, R.A. Dickey, Wayne Garrett, Steve Henderson, Francisco Lindor, John Milner, Bob Ojeda, Noah Syndergaard, Tim Teufel, Frank Thomas

Managers Elected by Primary Decade (in terms of games managed)

Bold: Elected With 100% on the first ballot. Underline: Elected with 100%, not on the first ballot.

1960s (2): Gil Hodges, Casey Stengel

1970s (1): Yogi Berra

1980s (1): Davey Johnson

1990s (1): Bobby Valentine

2000s (1): Willie Randolph

2010s (1): Terry Collins

Coaches Elected by Primary Decade (in terms of most years in decade with team)

1960s (3): Yogi Berra, Harvey Haddix, Whitey Herzog

1970s (5): Willie Mays, Roy McMillan, Joe Pignatano, Rube Walker, Eddie Yost

1980s (5): Bud Harrelson, Vern Hoscheit, Bill Robinson, Mel Stottlemyre, Bobby Valentine

1990s (3): Bob Apodaca, Al Jackson, Mookie Wilson

2000s (0):

2010s (2): Ricky Bones, Dan Warthen

2020s (1): Jeremy Hefner

Executives Elected (16): Sandy Alderson, Nelson Burbrink, Frank Cashen, Paul DePodesta, Bing Devine, Nelson Doubleday, Whitey Herzog, Jay Horwitz, Joe McDonald, Joe McIlvaine, Omar Minaya, Robert Moses, Johnny Murphy, Joan Whitney Payson, Arthur Richman, Bill Shea

Announcers Elected (11): Kevin Burkhardt, Gary Cohen, Ron Darling, Steve Gelbs, Keith Hernandez, Ralph Kiner, Tim McCarver, Bob Murphy, Lindsey Nelson, Howie Rose, Gary Thorne

Contributors Elected (5): Karl Ehrhardt, Pete Flynn, Jane Jarvis, Mr. Met, Bill Webb

Player:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Benny Agbayani          2 (CES)                     75.00                   2nd Comprehensive election
Tommie Agee             2                           80.00                   8th election
Edgardo Alfonzo         1                           80.00                   34th election
Pete Alonso             1                           100.00                  68th election
Wally Backman           2                           85.71                   20th election
Carlos Beltran          1                           88.89                   44th election
Armando Benitez         4 (CES)                     75.00                   4th Comprehensive election
Ken Boswell             1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Old-Timers election
Hubie Brooks            3 (VC)                      85.71                   6th VC election
Gary Carter             1                           92.31                   24th election
Yoenis Cespedes         4                           80.00                   66th election
Endy Chavez             3                           75.00                   47th election
Donn Clendenon          14                          85.71                   20th election
Bartolo Colon           3                           100.00                  64th election
David Cone              2                           87.50                   27th election
Michael Conforto        4                           100.00                  66th election
Roger Craig             6 (VC)                      85.71                   6th VC election
Ron Darling             2                           84.62                   23rd election
Jacob deGrom            4                           83.33                   65th election
Carlos Delgado          3                           87.50                   47th election
Edwin Diaz              1                           75.00                   68th election
R.A. Dickey             6                           100.00                  61st election
Lucas Duda              9                           80.00                   66th election
Lenny Dykstra           12                          80.00                   35th election
Jeurys Familia          7                           80.00                   66th election
Pedro Feliciano         11                          75.00                   48th election  
Sid Fernandez           1                           84.62                   23rd election
Wilmer Flores           8                           75.00                   68th election
Cliff Floyd             1 (VC)                      80.00                   9th VC election
Doug Flynn              1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Mid-Era Mets election
George Foster           7 (VC)                      80.00                   16th VC election
John Franco             5                           81.82                   33rd election
Wayne Garrett           1 (SVC)                     100.00                  Old-Timers election
Gary Gentry             1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Old-Timers election
Tom Glavine             10                          83.33                   51st election
Dwight Gooden           1                           100.00                  23rd election
Curtis Granderson       5                           80.00                   66th election
Jerry Grote             1                           100.00                  5th election
Bud Harrelson           1                           100.00                  4th election
Matt Harvey             9                           75.00                   68th election
Steve Henderson         7 (VC)                      100.00                  15th VC election
Keith Hernandez         1                           100.00                  22nd election
Gil Hodges              1                           77.78                   1st election
Ron Hodges              9 (VC)                      80.00                   9th VC election
Todd Hundley            1 (VC)                      85.71                   6th VC election
Ron Hunt                11                          77.78                   12th election
Al Jackson              7 (VC)                      75.00                   7th VC election
Howard Johnson          1                           84.62                   24th election
Cleon Jones             1                           100.00                  2nd election
Bobby J. Jones          7                           85.71                   38th election
Dave Kingman            2                           81.25                   15th election
Ray Knight              6                           75.00                   28th election
Jerry Koosman           1                           100.00                  6th election
Ed Kranepool            1                           88.89                   1st election
Terry Leach             5 (VC)                      85.71                   8th VC election
Al Leiter               2                           85.71                   38th election
Francisco Lindor        2                           100.00                  71st election
Skip Lockwood           7                           85.71                   20th election
Seth Lugo               9                           80.00                   72nd election
Dave Magadan            6 (VC)                      83.33                   10th VC election
Jon Matlack             1                           81.82                   10th election
Lee Mazzilli            1                           75.00                   15th election
Roger McDowell          11                          80.00                   34th election
Tug McGraw              1                           90.00                   4th election
Jeff McNeil             3                           80.00                   69th election
Kevin McReynolds        2 (VC)                      75.00                   7th VC election
Felix Millan            1                           77.78                   12th election
John Milner             2 (VC)                      100.00                  2nd VC election
Daniel Murphy           1 (VC)                      83.33                   10th VC election
Jon Niese               7                           75.00                   63rd election
Brandon Nimmo           4                           80.00                   67th election
Bob Ojeda               1 (VC)                      100.00                  5th VC election
John Olerud             1                           75.00                   36th election
Rey Ordonez             5                           75.00                   40th election
Jesse Orosco            2                           77.78                   19th election
Mike Piazza             1                           91.67                   37th election
Rick Reed               4                           75.00                   40th election
Jose Reyes              1                           100.00                  42nd election
Johan Santana           3                           75.00                   49th election
Tom Seaver              1                           91.67                   6th election
Art Shamsky             2 (VC)                      80.00                   14th VC election
Doug Sisk               8 (VC)                      75.00                   18th VC election                  
Rusty Staub             1                           85.71                   11th election
John Stearns            3                           83.33                   16th election
Darryl Strawberry       1                           90.00                   22nd election
Craig Swan              1 (VC)                      83.33                   3rd VC election
Ron Swoboda             10                          75.00                   13th election
Noah Syndergaard        4                           100.00                  66th election
Ron Taylor              1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Old-Timers election
Tim Teufel              6 (CES)                     100.00                  6th Comprehensive election
Frank Thomas            4 (VC)                      100.00                  12th VC election
Marv Throneberry        3 (VC)                      83.33                   3rd VC election
Robin Ventura           1                           85.71                   38th election
Billy Wagner            6                           75.00                   50th election
Turk Wendell            4                           75.00                   40th election
Zack Wheeler            3                           83.33                   65th election
Mookie Wilson           1                           88.89                   19th election
David Wright            1                           100.00                  43rd election

*SVC = Special Veterans Committee election.


Manager:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Yogi Berra               5                           88.89                   5th Mgr. election
Terry Collins            3                           80.00                   10th Mgr. election
Gil Hodges               1                           90.00                   1st Mgr. election
Davey Johnson            1                           100.00                  1st Mgr. election
Willie Randolph          8                           75.00                   8th Mgr. election
Casey Stengel            4                           87.50                   4th Mgr. election
Bobby Valentine          2                           100.00                  2nd Mgr. election

Coach:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Bob Apodaca            2 (VC)                      75.00                   2nd Coaches VC election
Yogi Berra             2                           90.00                   2nd Coaches election
Ricky Bones            2                           75.00                   22nd Coaches election
Harvey Haddix          10                          85.71                   10th Coaches election
Bud Harrelson          2                           75.00                   4th Coaches election    
Jeremy Hefner          1                           75.00                   22nd Coaches election  
Whitey Herzog          6                           75.00                   6th Coaches election
Vern Hoscheit          11                          83.33                   14th Coaches election
Al Jackson             7                           77.78                   12th Coaches election
Willie Mays            1 (VC)                      80.00                   1st Coaches VC election
Roy McMillan           13                          83.33                   14th Coaches election
Joe Pignatano          1                           90.00                   1st Coaches election
Bill Robinson          1                           87.50                   3rd Coaches election
Mel Stottlemyre        1                           87.50                   3rd Coaches election
Rube Walker            2                           90.00                   2nd Coaches election
Bobby Valentine        4                           87.50                   6th Coaches election
Dan Warthen            4                           75.00                   22nd Coaches election
Mookie Wilson          3                           75.00                   6th Coaches election
Eddie Yost             3                           75.00                   3rd Coaches election

Executive:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Sandy Alderson            3                            80.00                   12th Executives election
Nelson Burbrink           13                           75.00                   14th Executives election
Frank Cashen              1                            100.00                  1st Executives election
Paul DePodesta            5                            75.00                   14th Executives election
Bing Devine               3                            100.00                  3rd Executives election
Nelson Doubleday          1                            77.78                   2nd Executives election
Whitey Herzog             1                            88.89                   2nd Executives election
Jay Horwitz               5                            75.00                   10th Executives election
Joe McDonald             11                            83.33                   11th Executives election
Joe McIlvaine             3                            75.00                   3rd Executives election
Omar Minaya              13                            100.00                  13th Executives election
Robert Moses              9                            75.00                   10th Executives election
Johnny Murphy             1                            75.00                   1st Executives election
Joan Whitney Payson       1                            77.78                   2nd Executives election
Arthur Richman            8                            83.33                   11th Executives election
Bill Shea                 1                            100.00                  2nd Executives election

Announcer:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Kevin Burkhardt           11                            100.00                  13th Announcers election
Gary Cohen                1                             91.67                   1st Announcers election
Ron Darling               6                             75.00                   7th Announcers election
Steve Gelbs               1                             75.00                   10th Announcers election
Keith Hernandez           4                             80.00                   4th Announcers election
Ralph Kiner               1                             100.00                  2nd Announcers election
Tim McCarver              4                             77.77                   6th Announcers election
Bob Murphy                1                             100.00                  2nd Announcers election
Lindsey Nelson            1                             100.00                  2nd Announcers election
Howie Rose                1                             100.00                  3rd Announcers election
Gary Thorne               8                             75.00                   10th Announcers election

Contributor:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Karl Ehrhardt             2                             87.50                    2nd Contributors election
Pete Flynn                2                             87.50                    2nd Contributors election
Jane Jarvis               1                             78.57                    1st Contributors election  
Mr. Met                   3                             83.33                    3rd Contributors election
Bill Webb                 2                             100.00                   3rd Contributors election

 

 

Short-hand for the above...VC==Veterans Committee, SVC==Special Veterans Committee, CES==Comprehensive election series

[Cowtipper]

I voted for Agbayani, Benitez, Brooks and Craig. Craig encapsulated the early 1960s Mets well, and he was one of their most-used pitchers, but I don't think I can vote to keep a guy who went 15-46. I know, I know, he fits very nicely into early Mets lore and that should count for a lot, and it does, but he didn't do enough. He spent only two years with the club. 

[whippoorwill]

David Cone

 

 

[Cowtipper]

Would like to get a few more  voters so we can establish quorum. It really is interesting the diverse amount of people getting votes in this project so far. 

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

This doesn't make any sense. Ken Boswell? 

[seawolf17]

The heck is this?

[Frayed Knot]

Still kind of trying to figure that out myself.

[Cowtipper]

This is a project I ran on another forum. It ended on that forum but I'd like to continue it on this forum. But to streamline the Hall of Fame more to the standards of what THIS community wants, before we start electing NEW people, I'm putting the current members of the Hall of Fame through a series of removal elections. The old electorate was very big Hall, but this one might not be as big Hall. We're on the third election here and we haven't removed a player yet (though Hubie Brooks looks like the first casualty based on current voting trends), so we might be just as big Hall ... however that's for these elections to decide. 

[Cowtipper]

Also, Johnny Lunchbucket, you voted for six players, kindly remove one from your list (you can just post it below) so I can adjust the totals. 

[ashie62]

None, I couldn't vote for a living 1969 Met so I have Ken Boswell stays

[seawolf17]

None of these players should be in any Mets Hall of Fame, by almost any metric. I am so confused.

[Cowtipper]

Then vote accordingly. Not particularly confusing. 

[whippoorwill]

21 hours ago, Frayed Knot said:

Still kind of trying to figure that out myself.

As am I. 
cowtipper please explain why we would want to have less 

[Cowtipper]

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think the way to do this, if we're going to do this, would be to start from scratch. A Mets Hall of Fame that includes Bob Apodaca or Endy Chavez or Ken Boswell is irredeemably bloated.

[Cowtipper]

That project took me ~15 years to run on-and-off on the other website and I'd rather not redo that. 

This is folks' opportunity to reduce the bloat and this is the easiest workaround to having to start from scratch. 

It's a simple proposition, really. 

[Cowtipper]

Also, those who exceed the 5-selection maximum will have their votes voided unless they revise them before the poll ends. 

[whippoorwill]

1 hour ago, Cowtipper said:

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing?

Okay, I am only wondering what Mets HOF this is... and why we would take guys out.  I can see that if you don't remember Ken Boswell or Hubie Brooks or whomever, a person would say 'sure, can him".
But for those of us who do remember them, it 's puzzling.  Hubie is one of my alltime favorites, for example.

That's why I'm asking.  Can't there be an infinite number of players in the Mets HOF? 

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just really puzzled.  And that may be why you're having trouble getting it done 😃

[Cowtipper]

There can be an infinite number of guys. There can be 10 guys. That's why these polls exist. If we remove nobody, we remove nobody. If we remove 10 people, we remove 10 people. We're not obligated to or not to remove anyone. But this is the community's shot to make their voice heard. 

[Benjamin Grimm]

Being in a "Hall of Fame" is a devalued honor if too many people are in it. 

[Cowtipper]

Everyone survives! Benny Agbayani, Wally Backman, Armando Benitez, Ken Boswell and Hubie Brooks were run through the gauntlet, yet they still remain. We might be a big Hall crew after all.