Our Mets Hall of Fame - Removal Election 1

[Cowtipper]

On another baseball forum, I ran a project cleverly titled "Our Mets Hall of Fame." As you can see, it is a fairly inclusive Hall; we considered not just stats, but how players contributed to the overall Mets story, lore, ethos etc.

Well, I left that forum as I was spending too much time there, but the desire to continue this project never went away. To contour this project more to this community's views and standards, I'm going to run a series of elections to see who folks want to REMOVE from it; since I don't want to see it completely stripped, I'll set the qualifying percentage for removal at 75%, just like the real Hall's standard for election.* I'll do ten names at a time, one poll per week, and you can select up to five names per poll. We can do holdovers for up to five** ballots. 5% will be the cutoff there, also just like the real Hall.

*That'll require some finagling to figure out 75% due to how the polls here do percentages, but we'll figure it out. **I originally had 10, but that seemed like too many.

Then we'll eventually run a series of polls to actually elect people -- the old website got us up to the Mets through 2024, so basically all we'll have to do is 2025 (and probably 2026), so we have time before we get too far behind. Then in the long-winding convoluted process of projects like this, we'll likely do Veterans Committees where we'll reanalyze players not elected, previously removed, etc. some time in the future, as by then the standards of the project here will have been more formally established and some of the players we previously booted might want to be reconsidered.

Hall of Fame Stats

# of players in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 98

# of players elected by regular election: 71

# of players elected by Veteran's Committee: 27

# of managers in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 7

# of coaches in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 19

# of coaches elected by Veterans Committee: 2

# of executives in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 14

# of announcers in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 7

# of contributors in Our Mets Hall of Fame: 5

Avg. # of players elected during each regular election: 0.99

Avg. # of players elected during each Veteran's Committee election: 0.79

Avg. # of managers elected during each election: 0.70

Avg. # of coaches elected during each regular election: 0.77

Avg. # of coaches elected during each Veteran's Committee election: 1

Avg. # of executives elected during each election: 1.08

Avg. # of announcers elected during each election: 0.88

Avg. # of contributors elected during each election: 1.67

Players Elected by Primary Decade (in terms of games played)

Players in italics elected via Veterans Committee

1960s (9): Roger Craig, Gil Hodges, Ron Hunt, Al Jackson, Art Shamsky, Ron Swoboda, Ron Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marv Throneberry

1970s (22): Tommie Agee, Ken Boswell, Donn Clendenon, Doug Flynn, Wayne Garrett, Gary Gentry, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Steve Henderson, Ron Hodges, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Ed Kranepool, Skip Lockwood, Jon Matlack, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, John Milner, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub, John Stearns, Craig Swan

1980s (22): Wally Backman, Hubie Brooks, Gary Carter, Ron Darling, Lenny Dykstra, Sid Fernandez, George Foster, Dwight Gooden, Keith Hernandez, Howard Johnson, Dave Kingman, Ray Knight, Terry Leach, Lee Mazzilli, Roger McDowell, Kevin McReynolds, Bob Ojeda, Jesse Orosco, Doug Sisk, Darryl Strawberry, Tim Teufel, Mookie Wilson

1990s (10): Edgardo Alfonzo, David Cone, John Franco, Todd Hundley, Bobby J. Jones, Dave Magadan, John Olerud, Rey Ordonez, Rick Reed, Turk Wendell

2000s (16): Benny Agbayani, Carlos Beltran, Armando Benitez, Endy Chavez, R.A. Dickey, Carlos Delgado, Pedro Feliciano, Cliff Floyd, Tom Glavine, Al Leiter, Mike Piazza, Jose Reyes, Johan Santana, Robin Ventura, Billy Wagner, David Wright

2010s (13): Yoenis Cespedes, Bartolo Colon, Michael Conforto, Jacob DeGrom, Lucas Duda, Jeurys Familia, Wilmer Flores, Curtis Granderson, Matt Harvey, Daniel Murphy, Jon Niese, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler

2020s (6): Pete Alonso, Edwin Diaz, Francisco Lindor, Seth Lugo, Jeff McNeil, Brandon Nimmo

--Players Elected Via Regular Ballot by Primary Decade

1960s (3): Gil Hodges, Ron Hunt, Ron Swoboda

1970s (14): Tommie Agee, Donn Clendenon, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Ed Kranepool, Skip Lockwood, Jon Matlack, Tug McGraw, Felix Millan, Tom Seaver, Rusty Staub, John Stearns

1980s (15): Wally Backman, Gary Carter, Ron Darling, Lenny Dykstra, Sid Fernandez, Dwight Gooden, Keith Hernandez, Howard Johnson, Dave Kingman, Ray Knight, Lee Mazzilli, Roger McDowell, Jesse Orosco, Darryl Strawberry, Mookie Wilson

1990s (8): Edgardo Alfonzo, David Cone, John Franco, Bobby J. Jones, John Olerud, Rey Ordonez, Rick Reed, Turk Wendell

2000s (13): Carlos Beltran, Endy Chavez, R.A. Dickey, Carlos Delgado, Pedro Feliciano, Tom Glavine, Al Leiter, Mike Piazza, Jose Reyes, Johan Santana, Robin Ventura, Billy Wagner, David Wright

2010s (12): Yoenis Cespedes, Bartolo Colon, Michael Conforto, Jacob DeGrom, Lucas Duda, Jeurys Familia, Wilmer Flores, Curtis Granderson, Matt Harvey, Jon Niese, Noah Syndergaard, Zack Wheeler

2020s (6): Pete Alonso, Edwin Diaz, Francisco Lindor, Jeff McNeil, Brandon Nimmo, Seth Lugo

--Players Elected Via Veterans Committee by Primary Decade

1960s (6): Roger Craig, Al Jackson, Art Shamsky, Ron Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marv Throneberry

1970s (8): Ken Boswell, Doug Flynn, Wayne Garrett, Gary Gentry, Steve Henderson, Ron Hodges, John Milner, Craig Swan

1980s (7): Hubie Brooks, George Foster, Terry Leach, Kevin McReynolds, Bob Ojeda, Doug Sisk, Tim Teufel

1990s (2): Todd Hundley, Dave Magadan

2000s (3): Benny Agbayani, Armando Benitez, Cliff Floyd

2010s (1): Daniel Murphy

--Players Elected With 100% of the Vote on the First Regular Ballot (9)

Pete Alonso, Dwight Gooden, Jerry Grote, Bud Harrelson, Keith Hernandez, Cleon Jones, Jerry Koosman, Jose Reyes, David Wright

--All Other Players Elected With 100% of the Vote (Not on the First Regular Ballot, by Veterans Committee, etc.) (11)

Bartolo Colon, Michael Conforto, R.A. Dickey, Wayne Garrett, Steve Henderson, Francisco Lindor, John Milner, Bob Ojeda, Noah Syndergaard, Tim Teufel, Frank Thomas

Managers Elected by Primary Decade (in terms of games managed)

Bold: Elected With 100% on the first ballot. Underline: Elected with 100%, not on the first ballot.

1960s (2): Gil Hodges, Casey Stengel

1970s (1): Yogi Berra

1980s (1): Davey Johnson

1990s (1): Bobby Valentine

2000s (1): Willie Randolph

2010s (1): Terry Collins

Coaches Elected by Primary Decade (in terms of most years in decade with team)

1960s (3): Yogi Berra, Harvey Haddix, Whitey Herzog

1970s (5): Willie Mays, Roy McMillan, Joe Pignatano, Rube Walker, Eddie Yost

1980s (5): Bud Harrelson, Vern Hoscheit, Bill Robinson, Mel Stottlemyre, Bobby Valentine

1990s (3): Bob Apodaca, Al Jackson, Mookie Wilson

2000s (0):

2010s (2): Ricky Bones, Dan Warthen

2020s (1): Jeremy Hefner

Executives Elected (16): Sandy Alderson, Nelson Burbrink, Frank Cashen, Paul DePodesta, Bing Devine, Nelson Doubleday, Whitey Herzog, Jay Horwitz, Joe McDonald, Joe McIlvaine, Omar Minaya, Robert Moses, Johnny Murphy, Joan Whitney Payson, Arthur Richman, Bill Shea

Announcers Elected (11): Kevin Burkhardt, Gary Cohen, Ron Darling, Steve Gelbs, Keith Hernandez, Ralph Kiner, Tim McCarver, Bob Murphy, Lindsey Nelson, Howie Rose, Gary Thorne

Contributors Elected (5): Karl Ehrhardt, Pete Flynn, Jane Jarvis, Mr. Met, Bill Webb

 

Player:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Benny Agbayani          2 (CES)                     75.00                   2nd Comprehensive election
Tommie Agee             2                           80.00                   8th election
Edgardo Alfonzo         1                           80.00                   34th election
Pete Alonso             1                           100.00                  68th election
Wally Backman           2                           85.71                   20th election
Carlos Beltran          1                           88.89                   44th election
Armando Benitez         4 (CES)                     75.00                   4th Comprehensive election
Ken Boswell             1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Old-Timers election
Hubie Brooks            3 (VC)                      85.71                   6th VC election
Gary Carter             1                           92.31                   24th election
Yoenis Cespedes         4                           80.00                   66th election
Endy Chavez             3                           75.00                   47th election
Donn Clendenon          14                          85.71                   20th election
Bartolo Colon           3                           100.00                  64th election
David Cone              2                           87.50                   27th election
Michael Conforto        4                           100.00                  66th election
Roger Craig             6 (VC)                      85.71                   6th VC election
Ron Darling             2                           84.62                   23rd election
Jacob deGrom            4                           83.33                   65th election
Carlos Delgado          3                           87.50                   47th election
Edwin Diaz              1                           75.00                   68th election
R.A. Dickey             6                           100.00                  61st election
Lucas Duda              9                           80.00                   66th election
Lenny Dykstra           12                          80.00                   35th election
Jeurys Familia          7                           80.00                   66th election
Pedro Feliciano         11                          75.00                   48th election  
Sid Fernandez           1                           84.62                   23rd election
Wilmer Flores           8                           75.00                   68th election
Cliff Floyd             1 (VC)                      80.00                   9th VC election
Doug Flynn              1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Mid-Era Mets election
George Foster           7 (VC)                      80.00                   16th VC election
John Franco             5                           81.82                   33rd election
Wayne Garrett           1 (SVC)                     100.00                  Old-Timers election
Gary Gentry             1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Old-Timers election
Tom Glavine             10                          83.33                   51st election
Dwight Gooden           1                           100.00                  23rd election
Curtis Granderson       5                           80.00                   66th election
Jerry Grote             1                           100.00                  5th election
Bud Harrelson           1                           100.00                  4th election
Matt Harvey             9                           75.00                   68th election
Steve Henderson         7 (VC)                      100.00                  15th VC election
Keith Hernandez         1                           100.00                  22nd election
Gil Hodges              1                           77.78                   1st election
Ron Hodges              9 (VC)                      80.00                   9th VC election
Todd Hundley            1 (VC)                      85.71                   6th VC election
Ron Hunt                11                          77.78                   12th election
Al Jackson              7 (VC)                      75.00                   7th VC election
Howard Johnson          1                           84.62                   24th election
Cleon Jones             1                           100.00                  2nd election
Bobby J. Jones          7                           85.71                   38th election
Dave Kingman            2                           81.25                   15th election
Ray Knight              6                           75.00                   28th election
Jerry Koosman           1                           100.00                  6th election
Ed Kranepool            1                           88.89                   1st election
Terry Leach             5 (VC)                      85.71                   8th VC election
Al Leiter               2                           85.71                   38th election
Francisco Lindor        2                           100.00                  71st election
Skip Lockwood           7                           85.71                   20th election
Seth Lugo               9                           80.00                   72nd election
Dave Magadan            6 (VC)                      83.33                   10th VC election
Jon Matlack             1                           81.82                   10th election
Lee Mazzilli            1                           75.00                   15th election
Roger McDowell          11                          80.00                   34th election
Tug McGraw              1                           90.00                   4th election
Jeff McNeil             3                           80.00                   69th election
Kevin McReynolds        2 (VC)                      75.00                   7th VC election
Felix Millan            1                           77.78                   12th election
John Milner             2 (VC)                      100.00                  2nd VC election
Daniel Murphy           1 (VC)                      83.33                   10th VC election
Jon Niese               7                           75.00                   63rd election
Brandon Nimmo           4                           80.00                   67th election
Bob Ojeda               1 (VC)                      100.00                  5th VC election
John Olerud             1                           75.00                   36th election
Rey Ordonez             5                           75.00                   40th election
Jesse Orosco            2                           77.78                   19th election
Mike Piazza             1                           91.67                   37th election
Rick Reed               4                           75.00                   40th election
Jose Reyes              1                           100.00                  42nd election
Johan Santana           3                           75.00                   49th election
Tom Seaver              1                           91.67                   6th election
Art Shamsky             2 (VC)                      80.00                   14th VC election
Doug Sisk               8 (VC)                      75.00                   18th VC election                  
Rusty Staub             1                           85.71                   11th election
John Stearns            3                           83.33                   16th election
Darryl Strawberry       1                           90.00                   22nd election
Craig Swan              1 (VC)                      83.33                   3rd VC election
Ron Swoboda             10                          75.00                   13th election
Noah Syndergaard        4                           100.00                  66th election
Ron Taylor              1 (SVC)                     83.33                   Old-Timers election
Tim Teufel              6 (CES)                     100.00                  6th Comprehensive election
Frank Thomas            4 (VC)                      100.00                  12th VC election
Marv Throneberry        3 (VC)                      83.33                   3rd VC election
Robin Ventura           1                           85.71                   38th election
Billy Wagner            6                           75.00                   50th election
Turk Wendell            4                           75.00                   40th election
Zack Wheeler            3                           83.33                   65th election
Mookie Wilson           1                           88.89                   19th election
David Wright            1                           100.00                  43rd election

*SVC = Special Veterans Committee election.


Manager:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Yogi Berra               5                           88.89                   5th Mgr. election
Terry Collins            3                           80.00                   10th Mgr. election
Gil Hodges               1                           90.00                   1st Mgr. election
Davey Johnson            1                           100.00                  1st Mgr. election
Willie Randolph          8                           75.00                   8th Mgr. election
Casey Stengel            4                           87.50                   4th Mgr. election
Bobby Valentine          2                           100.00                  2nd Mgr. election

Coach:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Bob Apodaca            2 (VC)                      75.00                   2nd Coaches VC election
Yogi Berra             2                           90.00                   2nd Coaches election
Ricky Bones            2                           75.00                   22nd Coaches election
Harvey Haddix          10                          85.71                   10th Coaches election
Bud Harrelson          2                           75.00                   4th Coaches election    
Jeremy Hefner          1                           75.00                   22nd Coaches election  
Whitey Herzog          6                           75.00                   6th Coaches election
Vern Hoscheit          11                          83.33                   14th Coaches election
Al Jackson             7                           77.78                   12th Coaches election
Willie Mays            1 (VC)                      80.00                   1st Coaches VC election
Roy McMillan           13                          83.33                   14th Coaches election
Joe Pignatano          1                           90.00                   1st Coaches election
Bill Robinson          1                           87.50                   3rd Coaches election
Mel Stottlemyre        1                           87.50                   3rd Coaches election
Rube Walker            2                           90.00                   2nd Coaches election
Bobby Valentine        4                           87.50                   6th Coaches election
Dan Warthen            4                           75.00                   22nd Coaches election
Mookie Wilson          3                           75.00                   6th Coaches election
Eddie Yost             3                           75.00                   3rd Coaches election

Executive:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Sandy Alderson            3                            80.00                   12th Executives election
Nelson Burbrink           13                           75.00                   14th Executives election
Frank Cashen              1                            100.00                  1st Executives election
Paul DePodesta            5                            75.00                   14th Executives election
Bing Devine               3                            100.00                  3rd Executives election
Nelson Doubleday          1                            77.78                   2nd Executives election
Whitey Herzog             1                            88.89                   2nd Executives election
Jay Horwitz               5                            75.00                   10th Executives election
Joe McDonald             11                            83.33                   11th Executives election
Joe McIlvaine             3                            75.00                   3rd Executives election
Omar Minaya              13                            100.00                  13th Executives election
Robert Moses              9                            75.00                   10th Executives election
Johnny Murphy             1                            75.00                   1st Executives election
Joan Whitney Payson       1                            77.78                   2nd Executives election
Arthur Richman            8                            83.33                   11th Executives election
Bill Shea                 1                            100.00                  2nd Executives election

Announcer:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Kevin Burkhardt           11                            100.00                  13th Announcers election
Gary Cohen                1                             91.67                   1st Announcers election
Ron Darling               6                             75.00                   7th Announcers election
Steve Gelbs               1                             75.00                   10th Announcers election
Keith Hernandez           4                             80.00                   4th Announcers election
Ralph Kiner               1                             100.00                  2nd Announcers election
Tim McCarver              4                             77.77                   6th Announcers election
Bob Murphy                1                             100.00                  2nd Announcers election
Lindsey Nelson            1                             100.00                  2nd Announcers election
Howie Rose                1                             100.00                  3rd Announcers election
Gary Thorne               8                             75.00                   10th Announcers election

Contributor:          Times on ballot:          Election percentage:           When inducted:

Karl Ehrhardt             2                             87.50                    2nd Contributors election
Pete Flynn                2                             87.50                    2nd Contributors election
Jane Jarvis               1                             78.57                    1st Contributors election  
Mr. Met                   3                             83.33                    3rd Contributors election
Bill Webb                 2                             100.00                   3rd Contributors election

 

Short-hand for the above...VC==Veterans Committee, SVC==Special Veterans Committee, CES==Comprehensive election series

Edited March 3 by Cowtipper

[Cowtipper]

At the old website, I voted for Agbayani and Benitez, the former for his contribution to Mets lore and the latter for his statistical dominance. However, since we're trying to reorient this project a little, I decided to vote to remove them this time. I don't think I ever supported Brooks, so he also got my vote. Agee, Alfonso, Alfonzo, Beltran and Carter are obvious keeps. Backman's mid-'80s lore and legacy are too strong for me to give him a vote, and Boswell's duration with the Mets was a big reason I didn't vote for him; he was a regular face for such a long time, and it can't be said he didn't contribute.

[smg58]

I went for Hubie. His two best seasons were in Montreal, and he didn't have a standout hit (much less a postseason one, like Agbayani) for the Mets that I could remember.

[Edgy MD]

I am not sure I understand the assignment. What is "this" Hall of Fame?

[Cowtipper]

Respectfully ... it's spelled out in the first post.

[Edgy MD]

It's just hard to decide whether or not to kick Hubie Brooks out of a club if I don't know whether Chris Jones and Rick Baldwin are playing cards in the corner.

Building by subtraction is hard that way.

[Cowtipper]

You can see the whole membership of the Hall of Fame (and what we're trying to trim down)...

...if you look at the first post above. :-)

Also, for those keeping track at home, Hubie Brooks is the only one with > 75% of the vote so far.

[Bob Alpacadaca]

I'm a Big Hall kind of guy. Leave them all in and celebrate their success.

Also, it's nice to be able to say nice things about Gary Carter again.

[Benjamin Grimm]

You're going to have a hard time knowing who has 75% of the vote without knowing the actual number of distinct voters.

[Cowtipper]

Not really. I've gathered enough data and there's enough constraints and known knowns that the power of AI can easily calculate who has hit the magic number. It's a lot of logic and working backwards. I'm running it through three different AIs to double- and triple-check just to be sure.

[Benjamin Grimm]

How can you tell if Hubie has 5 out of 5 votes, or 5 out of 17?

[Cowtipper]

From Copilot:

 

[bLOCKQUOTE]Here’s the crux: with the info you’ve given, the exact number of voters isn’t uniquely determined—but we can tightly bound it and still answer the percentage questions.

Step 1: Tally and known ballots

Total selections:

17

Option counts:

Benny Agbayani: 4

Wally Backman: 2

Armando Benitez: 2

Ken Boswell: 2

Hubie Brooks: 5

None of the above: 2

Everyone else: 0

Known individual ballots:

Voter A (Brooks-only): Brooks

Voter B (you): Benitez, Agbayani, Brooks

Voter C: None of the above

Voter D: None of the above

So far:

Voters accounted for: 4

Selections accounted for:

1

+

3

+

1

+

1

=

6

Selections remaining:

17

−

6

=

11

Remaining counts to be supplied by unknown voters:

Agbayani: 3

Backman: 2

Benitez: 1

Boswell: 2

Brooks: 3

Step 2: Possible number of voters

Each voter can choose between 1 and 5 options.

Remaining selections: 11

Minimum additional voters:

⌈

11

/

5

⌉

=

3

Example feasible pattern: three voters with 5, 4, and 2 picks respectively (you can assign them to match the remaining counts without conflict).

Maximum additional voters: 11 (if each of those 11 selections is from a different single-choice voter).

So:

Total voters

𝑁

is between:

4

+

3

=

7

and

4

+

11

=

15

i.e.

7

≤

𝑁

≤

15

We cannot pin down a unique

𝑁

from the given data.

Step 3: Who received at least 75% of the vote?

To get at least 75% of the voters, a candidate must be chosen by at least

0.75

𝑁

distinct voters.

The maximum possible support for any candidate is bounded by their total selections:

Hubie Brooks: 5 selections → at most 5 distinct voters

Others have ≤4 selections

Given

7

≤

𝑁

≤

15

:

Max possible fraction for Brooks:

5

7

≈

71.4

%

<

75

%

For larger

𝑁

, the fraction only decreases.

So:

No candidate can possibly reach 75% of the voters.

Answer: Nobody received at least 75% of the vote.

Step 4: Who received at least 5% of the vote?

Now we look for candidates who definitely have ≥5% of the voters, for any feasible

𝑁

in

[

7

,

15

]

.

A candidate with at least 1 selection is supported by at least 1 voter.

The worst case (smallest fraction) is when

𝑁

is largest:

𝑁

=

15

.

Then:

1

15

≈

6.7

%

>

5

%

So anyone with at least 1 selection necessarily has ≥5% of the voters, regardless of the exact

𝑁

in the allowed range.

Those are:

Benny Agbayani (4)

Wally Backman (2)

Armando Benitez (2)

Ken Boswell (2)

Hubie Brooks (5)

None of the above (2)

Everyone else has 0 and thus 0%.

Direct answers

Who received at least 75% of the vote?

No one.

Who received at least 5% of the vote?

Agbayani, Backman, Benitez, Boswell, Brooks, and “None of the above”.

How many total voters were there?

Not uniquely determined; the total number of voters is between 7 and 15 inclusive.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

 

And from Grok:

 

[bLOCKQUOTE]No one received at least 75% of the vote.

The candidates who received at least 5% of the vote are Benny Agbayani, Wally Backman, Armando Benitez, Ken Boswell, and Hubie Brooks (all others at 0%).

The percentages are relative to the number of voters (ballots), not total selections. This is the standard way "percentage of the vote" is interpreted in multi-select limited-choice voting systems (e.g., Hall of Fame-style ballots where voters select up to 5, and thresholds like 75% refer to share of ballots received).

The data's listed percentages (e.g., 29% for Brooks = 5/17) are instead share of total selections, which is a different (and less common for thresholds) metric.

The total number of voters cannot be uniquely determined from the given information, but there are constraints:

Minimum voters: 7 (the fewest possible consistent with the rules, vote counts, one single-player Brooks voter, two "none of the above" voters, your 3-vote ballot, max 5 per voter, and no other single-player voters for any candidate).

This uses maximal bundling of the remaining 11 votes into 3 efficient multi-selection ballots (as in one with 5, one with 4, one with 2—all including Agbayani + Brooks to cover their high remaining counts).

Maximum voters: Fewer than 17 (since some voted multiple), but more precisely up to around 13–15 depending on how much splitting is possible without creating forbidden extra single-player ballots.

Since the number of voters is at least 7, the maximum possible approval percentage any candidate can have is 5/7 ≈ 71.4% (Hubie Brooks). No candidate reaches 75% in any possible configuration (larger voter counts would only decrease the percentages further).

For the 5% threshold (at least 0.05 × voters):

In the minimal case (7 voters), 5% = 0.35 → any candidate with ≥1 vote has at least 1/7 ≈ 14.3% > 5%.

In larger cases (higher voters), percentages drop, but even in the highest plausible voter counts, the candidates with votes still clear 5% (Brooks with 5 votes would need >100 voters to drop below 5%, impossible given only 17 total selections).

Thus, the same five candidates who got any votes at all meet ≥5% in all possible cases.

Summary:

≥75%: No one.

≥5%: Benny Agbayani, Wally Backman, Armando Benitez, Ken Boswell, Hubie Brooks.

Total voters: Unknown exactly, but at least 7 (most likely 7 if assuming efficient / minimal-voter configuration typical in such logic problems).[/bLOCKQUOTE]

 

The more data we get and the more people that post who they vote (or don't vote) for will provide more givens which can allow for greater clarity later on.

(or I could just switch to an external polling source that uses more traditional tabulation methods).

We could theoretically do it without a poll and just have people post their individual lists, but having done this project for ~15 years or so on the other website, I found that that slightly more effort-demanding step limits participation a bit.

Edited March 2 by Cowtipper

[Edgy MD]

You can see the whole membership of the Hall of Fame (and what we're trying to trim down)...

 

I did not scroll. It is true.

[MFS62]

How can you tell if Hubie has 5 out of 5 votes, or 5 out of 17?

 

I’m not sure if that matters. If you think he doesn’t belong, cast your vote. Should it matter how many others or percent of others feel the same?

Btw , I’m not voting. I think this is something I’m not concerned with.

Later

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's not about influencing the voters, it's about understanding the results. He's saying that people who get 75% of the vote will be removed, but we only see the numerator, not the denominator.

[Cowtipper]

I think I explained how you can reasonably deduce who does or does not get to 75% multiple times in multiple ways above. If it causes consternation, we can use an external polling source, however that sort of thing just diminishes participation, as I've found through running quintillions of polls in past lives.

[Benjamin Grimm]

No consternation. I don't really care. I'm just pointing out that you don't know the denominator, and both of those AI quotes say the same.

[Cowtipper]

Someone is being cantankerous just for the sake of being cantankerous, methinks.

[Fman99]

It's really "Their Mets Hall of Fame," not "Ours."

(I voted for Brooks, who I remember as a kid only because he was a Met when I was a kdi, and Boswell, whom I'm not really familiar with)

[Cowtipper]

Thank you for your participation. We're trying to make it more 'our' Hall of Fame; give it time. Should this forum be around in some form in 10 years and we're all still here and this project is still going, this will seem organically ours. Looking back I ran quite a few projects that ran for years.

[Cowtipper]

Oops, wrong thread.

[whippoorwill]

Why no love for Hubie?

[whippoorwill]

And furthermore why would we subtract guys from the Mets HOF?

[Cowtipper]

You're under no obligation to subtract, we're just trying to forge this project more to the standards of the members here, rather than trying to bring aboard the standards of the old place I ran this project. Instead of doing whole new polls and starting from scratch, we're doing the slightly easier method of removing people that AREN'T deemed worthy (by this community's standards). And, as stated, as the standards of this community vis-a-vis this project crystallize, we'll likely do "Veterans Committee" elections to give those removed (if we remove any) the chance to be reelected.

[whippoorwill]

Well I would NEVER take Hubie out.

I’d never take any of them out except Backman

[Cowtipper]

Hopefully when we move to our new home -- which I have fully embraced and endorsed without any pushback since day 1 -- the polling system will be a bit more standard. This is the only forum I've been on that tabulates results the way it does.

[Cowtipper]

Last chance to get your votes in!

[Cowtipper]

Well, this was easy to tabulate. It would be statistically impossible for anyone to have reached 75% based on the voting details that we (or I) know and how many total selections there were. At most, Hubie Brooks got about 73% of the vote in terms of total voters, rather than total selections.

[whippoorwill]

So he can stay?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, this was easy to tabulate. It would be statistically impossible for anyone to have reached 75% based on the voting details that we (or I) know and how many total selections there were. At most, Hubie Brooks got about 73% of the vote in terms of total voters, rather than total selections.

 

How can you be sure he wasn't named on eight out of eight ballots?