Rankings Project - 2018

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, I know, we should have done this four months ago. But it got put off for one reason or another and I kept forgetting ... although it's not like any of you folks bailed me out on it either.

But now it's time to take one last fleeting glimpse of the year that just was, and the good thing is that this one won't get dragged out.
With Opening Day two weeks from Thursday I'm declaring [u]an end to this project on that Wednesday night[/u], so if you want to contribute you'll have to do it soon.


You know the drill: 30 players ranked from highest to lowest for their positive (or lack thereof) contributions to the 2018 NYM season from the (bigger than usual) cast of characters listed below:

[u]Hitters[/u] (in order of PA)
Michael Conforto - Amed Rosario - Brandon Nimmo - Todd Frazier - Wilmer Flores
Asdrubal Cabrera - Jay Bruce - Jose Bautista - Kevin Plawecki - Jose Reyes
Jeff McNeil - Devin Mesoraco - Austin Jackson - Adrian Gonzalez - Yoenis Cespedes
Dom Smith - Tomas Nido - Luis Guillorme - Juan Lagares - Jose Lobaton
Jack Reinheimer - Phillip Evans - Matt den Dekker - Travis d'Arnaud - Ty Kelly
Kevin Kaczmarski - David Wright

[u]Pitchers[/u] (by IP)
Jacob deGrom - Zack Wheeler - Noah Syndergaard - Steven Matz - Seth Lugo
Jason Vargas - Robert Gsellman - Corey Oswalt - Paul Sewald - Jerry Blevins
Jeurys Familia - Jacob Rhame - Tylor Bashlor - Drew Smith - Tim Peterson
Matt Harvey - Anthony Swarzak - AJ Ramos - Hansel Robles - Drew Gagnon
Chris Beck - Daniel Zamora - PJ Conlon - Chris Flexen - Bobby Wahl
Gerson Bautista - Buddy Baumann - Eric Hanhold - Scott Copeland

[Vic Sage]

[u]2018 Mets:[/u]

1. DeGrom
2. Nimmo

3. Syndegaard
4. Wheeler
5. Conforto
6. McNeil
7. Lugo

8. Matz
9. Cabrera
10. Frazier
11. Familia

12. Cespedes
13. Rosario
14. Bautista
15. Plawecki
16. Mesoraco
17. Flores
18. Lagares
19. DrSmith
20. Zamora

21. Gsellman
22. Vargas
23. Bruce
24. Blevins
25. Bashlor

[i]The following did significantly more harm than good, or contributed too little to consider, but i had to list somebody:[/i]
26. Oswalt
27. Jackson
28. Peterson
29. Rhame
30. Wright

[i]as well as:[/i]
Gonzalez
Do.Smith
Reyes
[i]*(despite the number of ABs they had, i could not in good conscience list Reyes, Gonzalez, or Do.Smith, because they all hurt the time more and more with every appearance. they would have helped the Mets more by not playing at all. I did more for the team by not playing than they did by playing).[/i]
guillorme
Nido
Harvey
Swarzak
Robles
Ramos
Sewald

[seawolf17]

Wait, I remember doing this...?

[Frayed Knot]

[quote="Vic Sage" post_id=4202 time=1552418058 user_id=93] [u]2018 Mets:[/u]

19. Dr.Smith [/quote] Ahead of Will Robinson? ... No fuckin' way!!

[Vic Sage]

well played, sir.

[kcmets]

[quote=seawolf17 post_id=4208 time=1552422229 user_id=91] Wait, I remember doing this...?[/quote] I don't remember doing 2017, but I looked and I did.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

1st time thru. Hat tip at buttend for short-time performers Lagares and Zamora over shit guys who lasted longer like Harvey, Ramos and Swarzak

30. deGrom
29. Nimmo
*
28. Syndergaard
27. Wheeler
26. Conforto
*
25. Lugo
24. Familia
23. McNeil
22. Flores
21. Rosario
20. Cabrera
19. Matz
18. Gsellman
17. Frazier
*
16. Cespedes
15. Mesoraco
14. Vargas
13. Blevins
12. Bruce
11. Plawecki
*
10. Drew Smith
9. Bautista
8. Bashlor
7. A. Gonzalez
6. Dom Smith
5. Reyes
4. Oswalt
3. Jackson
*
2. Lagares
1. Zamora

[seawolf17]

Here we go!

deGrom
Wheeler
Nimmo
Syndergaard
Conforto

Frazier
Matz
Cabrera
McNeil
Lugo

Bautista
Familia
Gsellman
Flores
Rosario

Plawecki
Mesoraco
Bruce
Blevins
Vargas

Jackson
Drew Smith
Zamora
Cespedes
Gonzalez

Bashlor
Dom Smith
Lagares
Oswalt
Wright

Jeez, it got to be slim pickings once you hit the middle of that list.

[Ceetar]

1 David Wright
2 Jacob deGrom
3 Brandon Nimmo
4 Zack Wheeler
5 Noah Syndergaard
6 Michael Conforto
7 Jeff McNeil
8 Asdrubal Cabrera
9 Todd Frazier
10 Amed Rosario
11 Seth Lugo
12 Jeurys Familia
13 Steven Matz
14 Yoenis Cespedes
15 Kevin Plawecki
16 Devin Mesoraco
17 Juan Lagares
18 Wilmer Flores
19 Jose Bautista
20 Jason Vargas
21 Drew Smith
22 Daniel Zamora
23 Robert Gsellman
24 Jay Bruce
25 Austin Jackson
26 Scott Copeland
27 Paul Sewald
28 Eric Hanhold
29 Jerry Blevins
30 Matt Harvey

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

One thing that strikes you when you go down this list is how consistently terrible the ERAs were for almost every reliever. It's not likely any of the million guys who pitched for us last year will be invited to perform in such a land of opportunity again, and every one of them shit on the chance they had. Drew Smith and Bashlor were okay sometimes; and Peterson for a short while, but yikes. And of course even the guys who "didn't suck" sucked like Robles, Blevins and Ramos.

I wanna blame Eiland or the bullpen coach or someone. The bad offense also, but it was like there was disease in the bullpen.

[seawolf17]

[quote="Johnny Lunchbucket" post_id=4286 time=1552576632 user_id=58] One thing that strikes you when you go down this list is how consistently terrible the ERAs were for almost every reliever. It's not likely any of the million guys who pitched for us last year will be invited to perform in such a land of opportunity again, and every one of them shit on the chance they had. Drew Smith and Bashlor were okay sometimes; and Peterson for a short while, but yikes. And of course even the guys who "didn't suck" sucked like Robles, Blevins and Ramos.

I wanna blame Eiland or the bullpen coach or someone. The bad offense also, but it was like there was disease in the bullpen. [/quote] Totally. I was scanning the B-R page trying to find *something* to differentiate these guys, but every one of them pitched 15-20 innings with a 6.50 ERA. Crikey.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, I was just thinking about how David Wright had a better 2018 than deGrom

[seawolf17]

[quote="Frayed Knot" post_id=4304 time=1552589284 user_id=75] Yeah, I was just thinking about how David Wright had a better 2018 than deGrom [/quote] I'm sure David appreciates the Lifetime Achievement vote, but honestly...

[Ceetar]

[quote=seawolf17 post_id=4348 time=1552657471 user_id=91] [quote="Frayed Knot" post_id=4304 time=1552589284 user_id=75] Yeah, I was just thinking about how David Wright had a better 2018 than deGrom [/quote] I'm sure David appreciates the Lifetime Achievement vote, but honestly... [/quote]
he deserves it dammit.

But if you think it's against the spirit you can move him to the other side of the list. his presence on it is non-negotiable.

[batmagadanleadoff]

[quote=Ceetar post_id=4284 time=1552575111 user_id=102] 1 David Wright
2 Jacob deGrom....
[/quote]
Naturally.

[seawolf17]

Yeah, fine. I'll throw him a point too. Edited my list.

[Vic Sage]

me too. better giving a symbolic point to Wright than any of Swarzak, Dom Smith, or AGon, who all did waaaaay more harm than good.

[Frayed Knot]

30 - deGROM -- Any questions?
29 - NIMMO -- only McNeil (with a much smaller sample size) had more RC/27 and only Cespedes (again SSS) better IsoP
28 - WHEELER -- 4 more starts, 28 more IP, better WHIP than Syndergaard
27 - SNYDERGAARD
26 - CONFORTO
25 - McNEIL -- half the number of PA/AB as compared to the regulars, but usually superior everywhere else
24 - LUGO -- best ERA on the team
23 - FAMILIA
22 - FLORES -- gets some love for his freakish game-on-the-line clutchiness
21 - CABRERA -- actually tied for 2nd in team HR
20 - ROSARIO
19 - FRAZIER
18 - MATZ
17 - GSELLMAN
16 - BRUCE
15 - PLAWECKI -- 22 of his 50 hits were for XBs
14 - CESPEDES
13 - MESORACO
12 - VARGAS
11 - BAUTISTA
10 - BLEVINS
9 - DR SMITH -- Danger Will Robinson
8 - OSWALT -- going on pure numbers alone cuz I already have no memory of this guy
7 - BASHLOR
6 - REYES
5 - SEAWALD
4 - JACKSON
3 - SWARZAK
2 - GONZALEZ
1 - WRIGHT -- Yeah, sure, why not.

[Frayed Knot]

Remember: One week remains for any additional contributions, additions, edits, arguments, or just plain mocking of other votes.
Actually the mocking never ends, but all voting will close next Wednesday night [i]precisely[/i] at the stroke of wheneverIgetaroundtoit.

[G-Fafif]

Will look to hit ya up with this tonight.

[Frayed Knot]

I will hold off on any finalizing until such time as you chime in.

[G-Fafif]

It gets a little hodgepodgey midway through, which is probably an improvement on 2017, where after the first four or five it didn't seem to matter.

30. deGrom
29. Wheeler
28. Nimmo
27. Conforto
26. Rosario
25. Syndergaard
24. Cabrera
23. McNeil
22. Lugo
21. Flores
20. Gsellman
19. Matz
18. Familia
17. Blevins
16. Frazier
15. Plawecki
14. Bautista
13. Bruce
12. Mesoraco
11. Reyes
10. Gonzalez
9. Jackson
8. Drew Smith
7. Bashlor
6. Cespedes
5. Lagares
4. Vargas
3. Dom Smith
2. Oswalt
1. Reinheimer

[LWFS]

30. deGrom
29. Nimmo
28. Wheeler
27. Syndergaard
26. Conforto
25. McNeil
24. Cabrera
23. Lugo
22. Rosario
21. Familia
20. Matz
19. Flores
18. Frazier
17. Gsellman
16. Cespedes
15. Bautista
14. Lagares
13. Smith
12. Zamora
11. Vargas
10. Plawecki
9. Jackson
8. Bruce
7. Wright
6. Blevins
5. Bashlor
4. Oswalt
3. Sewald
2. Mesoraco
1. Nido

[Frayed Knot]

LWFS, which Smith in slot #13?

[Frayed Knot]

Well, I'm going assume you meant [u]Drew Smith[/u] until I hear otherwise.
That leaves our final vote at:


30 - JACOB deGROM
29 - BRANDON NIMMO
28 - ZACK WHEELER
27 - NOAH SYNDERGAARD
26 - MICHAEL CONFORTO
25 - JEFF McNEIL
24 - ASDRUBAL CABRERA
23 - SETH LUGO
22 - AMED ROSARIO
21 - STEVEN MATZ
20 - JEURYS FAMILIA
19 - TODD FRAZIER
18 - WILMER FLORES
17 - ROBERT GSELLMAN
16 - JOSE BAUTISTA
15 - KEVIN PLAWECKI
14 - YOENIS CESPEDES
13 - DEVIN MESORACO
12 - JAY BRUCE
11 - JASON VARGAS
10 - DREW SMITH
9 - JERRY BLEVINS
8 - JUAN LAGARES
7 - AUSTIN JACKSON
6 - DANIEL ZAMORA
5 - TYLER BASHLOR
4 - COREY OSWALT
3 - ADRIAN GONZALEZ
2 - JOSE REYES
1 - PAUL SEAWALD