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Frayed Knot wrote:


Frayed Knot wrote:

A decaying hunk of RBI cuts the lead in half.


Of course he did. As I posted earlier in the year, when I think he's washed up, he does something good. I'll keep saying it and see if he can keep producing.



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Yeah, that's what you were doing.


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Yeah, the Mets could certainly have used Bader this year.



It is weird in that the team was slumping by swinging through fastballs, and then they were red hot offensively by attacking fastballs, but now they are watching a lot of fastballs go by for strike three.



Except Álvarez, who is getting nutty again for the slider away.


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Edgy MD wrote:

Yeah, the Mets could certainly have used Bader this year.


Sure, particularly if you know you're going to get THIS version of Bader.

But not only is his current 932/153 OPS/OPS+ (in just over 100 PAs) the highest of any point in his career, his previous high was 779 & 775 (114 OPS+ each) in 2020 & '21

But if you get the 657/86 the Mets got last year, I don't think we'd be bemoaning his absence.


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So, following the discussion in the booth about career HRs vs Mets, Pat Burrell hit 1 in 7 of his HRs vs NYM (42/292 = 14.71%)

I mean, he was a division opponent but so are/were most of the rest of those guys.

All those ahead of him on the HR-v-NYM list had considerably more HRs than Burrell's 292: Aaron, Stargell, Schmidt, McCovey, Harper, etc.


Edgy MD FCL Mets

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Frayed Knot wrote:

Edgy MD wrote:

Yeah, the Mets could certainly have used Bader this year.


Sure, particularly if you know you're going to get THIS version of Bader.

But not only is his current 932/153 OPS/OPS+ (in just over 100 PAs) the highest of any point in his career, his previous high was 779 & 775 (114 OPS+ each) in 2020 & '21

But if you get the 657/86 the Mets got last year, I don't think we'd be bemoaning his absence.


Well, with the absence of Siri and the crash of Tyrone Taylor and the wishful thinking that Cedric Mullins largely has been, the Mets could have used any version of the guy, the 2024 edition included.


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Frayed Knot wrote:

Baserunners tonight:

Phils 18; 10 H, 4 BB, 4 HBP

Mets 7; 5 H, 2 BB


Final total [CROSSOUT]is[/CROSSOUT] was: 22 to 8 ... but now three straight two-out/9th inning singles are making the stats somewhat less lopsided (22/11)

oe: now 22/12 with a walk to Mauricio


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Edgy MD wrote:

Frayed Knot wrote:

Edgy MD wrote:

Yeah, the Mets could certainly have used Bader this year.


Sure, particularly if you know you're going to get THIS version of Bader.

But not only is his current 932/153 OPS/OPS+ (in just over 100 PAs) the highest of any point in his career, his previous high was 779 & 775 (114 OPS+ each) in 2020 & '21

But if you get the 657/86 the Mets got last year, I don't think we'd be bemoaning his absence.


Well, with the absence of Siri and the crash of Tyrone Taylor and the wishful thinking that Cedric Mullins largely has been, the Mets could have used any version of the guy, the 2024 edition included.


But the point is that Bader was no better a bet to out-perform himself this season than was Mullins

Mullins OPS+ in 2023 & 24 = 101 & 104 vs Bader = 69 & 86 ... and Mullins is (slightly) younger


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They could have used Bader.



They could have used Bader.



I do not pretend to know what the best bet was last winter, or at the trading deadline at the end of July — I can certainly make an educated guess — but they could have used him.



I have certainly seen enough to reasonably conclude that Bader has a lot more defense left in his glove (and legs and arm), and the numbers suggest that notion has support over time.


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Taylor out-hit Bader last season by a small amount (44 points of OPS) as Bader faded badly over the last two months and played at least as good a CF. So they moved on and went with a Taylor/Siri combo. Now if we knew that this year's version of Bader was going to turn in the best season of his career and out-pace his OPS of '24 by 170 pts while Taylor would drop his by 120 on top of Siri missing 5+ months after fouling a ball off his leg then, sure, we could have used Bader.

And if that were the case I might even have said so three times in a four line post since it was so super obvious.



But I don't think we'd be pining for him if he merely repeated his 644/80 avg OPS/OPS+ for '22-'24 rather than it suddenly spiking to 825/125 this season and with a 940/155 as a Phillie, and 1395 vs the Mets


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Frayed Knot wrote:

Mullins 2025 OPS, pre-trade = 738

Bader 2025 OPS, pre-trade = 778



Mullins 2025 OPS post-trade = 556

Bader 2025 OPS post-trade = 932


Siri was signed for $2+ million.

Bader was signed for a $4+ million contract (with a 2026 option).

I never understood why they signed Siri over re-signing Bader. The money wasn't that significant and he was a known commodity. IIRC the justification was that whoever they signed was going to be a stopgap because of the great CF prospects they had (e,g.- Gilbert and maybe Acuna or Williams). None of them seem ready to take over CF yet.

And now the Mets have to pay the remaining part of Mullins' $8 million contract.

Ugh!



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