Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 27, 2025 Posted January 27, 2025 MLB.com is out with theirs:1 - Roki Sasaki: RHP (LAD)2 - Roman Anthony: OF (BOS)3 - Walker Jenkins: OF (MIN)4 - Dylan Crews*: OF (WAS)5 - Jackson Jobe**: RHP (DET)6 - Max Clark: OF (DET)7 - Kristian Campbell: 2B/SS/OF (BOS)8 - Andrew Painter: RHP (PHI)9 - Carson Williams: SS (TBR)10 - Travis Bazzana: 2B (CLE).... 46 - Brandon Sprout: RHP (NYM)...58 - Jett Williams: SS/OF (NYM)https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/top100/https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/top100/* I would have sworn that he was no longer a rookie but I guess his 132 PA/119 AB in 2024 leaves him still under the limit** Because all the best prospects are named Jackson
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted January 27, 2025 Posted January 27, 2025 Key Flaw, whose logic sometimes ties him in knots, https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6078454/2025/01/27/top-100-mlb-prospects-2025-keith-law/has put three Mets in his top 100.It was a pretty cockpunchy year in the Mets prospect development department, most would agree. It's certainly hard to say how much a guy should slide backwards when missing a season with injury.His comparisons of Mauricio to Alfonso Soriano are certainly pretty interesting.
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Law also had Mauricio at 91.Baseball America has Williams 58Sproat 61Baez 92McLean 99The Baseball Prospectus 101:Sproat 39Williams 48Benge 71McLean 74Tong 75Later
DocTee Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 I thought that Kevin Parada © was a hot ticket. What happened to him?
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Apparently he cooled off. He's still only 23, and spent 2024 in Binghamton. .214/.304/.359, 13 homers, 17 doubles, 43 RBI in 114 games.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 =DocTee post_id=183968 time=1738075092 user_id=85]I thought that Kevin Parada © was a hot ticket. What happened to him?
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 I'm going into my 55th year as a Mets fan, and I still have to remind myself not to get my hopes too high over top prospects. For every Darryl Strawberry there seem to be a dozen or more Alex Escobars or Fernando Martinezes. Last year I was really eager to see Drew Gilbert. Now I've accepted that he may disappoint, as many others have. Don't read this as me giving up on him; there's absolutely no reason to do that. He may still turn out to be the Lenny Dykstra (the player, not the person) that I hope he will be.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Author Posted January 28, 2025 A prospect stalling out at a level, whether through injury or just poor or stagnant results, is the equivalent of moving backwards as far as these lists go.Too many new could-be stars appear every year. It doesn't mean one can't jump back onto the lists with a good season in '25, but it's tough since he'll be two years older than the last time he was listed and will be compared to others via that lens.On the other hand, some guys who never appear on these lists go on to have productive ML careers. These lists are a snapshot in time, not the final word.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Of the last two Mets National League Jackie Robinson Award winners — Jacob deGrom's shadow never touched Keith Law's top 100 (or any other, as far as I'm aware), and I think Pete Alonso topped out at #90 or so. It's fun to spot trends, but they can reverse themselves purty fast. Power can make an impact quickly (in deGrom's and Alonso's cases, quicker than the evaluators can update their lists), but so can a blown tendon or two.
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Sporting News had a WATP in which the Mets trade Parada and Houck to Detroit for Torkelson.https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/new-york-mets/news/mets-3-player-trade-idea-would-bring-tigers-spencer-torkelson-queens/19cae544f21ce350df6bb121https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/new-york-mets/news/mets-3-player-trade-idea-would-bring-tigers-spencer-torkelson-queens/19cae544f21ce350df6bb121That seems too little for a guy who has been in the majors. I just think someone there is dying to use the headline "Flop Swap".Later
batmagadanleadoff Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Sporting News had a WATP in which the Mets trade Parada and Houck to Detroit for Torkelson.https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/new-york-mets/news/mets-3-player-trade-idea-would-bring-tigers-spencer-torkelson-queens/19cae544f21ce350df6bb121https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/new-york-mets/news/mets-3-player-trade-idea-would-bring-tigers-spencer-torkelson-queens/19cae544f21ce350df6bb121That seems too little for a guy who has been in the majors. I just think someone there is dying to use the headline "Flop Swap".The Sporting News and Sports Illustrated are nothing more than click bait these days. All they mostly do is hype these imaginary, fantastical trade proposals that come from their own imaginations and have no basis in reality.So sad, what's become of magazine print media.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 It really is. My news feed is full of proposed trade articles that, like you say, have no basis in actual reporting. There are also a lot of articles that have vague headlines, obviously to prevent you from finding out all you care to know from just reading the headline and not clicking.These headlines are currently in my feed. All designed to try to get me to find out what star player the Mets are supposedly about to get, or who they're about to trade.Mets predicted to sign $119 million All-Star to replace Pete AlonsoNew York Mets linked to surprise trade for rising star pitcher, former elite New York Yankees prospectMets would land $28 Million Pete Alonso Replacement in 5-Player Trade IdeaMets estimated trade package for Vladimir Guerrero Jr. includes 4 potential starsMets 'dream lineup' replaces Pete Alonso with $420 million superstar
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Author Posted January 28, 2025 I predict the Mets are going to do all of those things ... simultaneously!!
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Frayed Knot wrote:I predict the Mets are going to do all of those things ... simultaneously!!None of those things will happen until Mike Francessa says they will.Later
Centerfield Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Edgy MD wrote:Of the last two Mets National League Jackie Robinson Award winners — Jacob deGrom's shadow never touched Keith Law's top 100 (or any other, as far as I'm aware), and I think Pete Alonso topped out at #90 or so. It's fun to spot trends, but they can reverse themselves purty fast. Power can make an impact quickly (in deGrom's and Alonso's cases, quicker than the evaluators can update their lists), but so can a blown tendon or two.Does anyone know who does MLB's list?From what I remember, Keith Law and Baseball America were the authorities on the subject.Pete Alonso was 51 on the MLB list in 2019.https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2019/top100/https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2019/top100/
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Author Posted January 28, 2025 =Centerfield post_id=183996 time=1738102322 user_id=65]Does anyone know who does MLB's list?
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 From a Strat site:It's tough to compare BA vs BP when looking at Mets prospects with the lead BP guys being Mets fanboys...who actually have been more critical of Mets prospects in recent years up until Stearns became the PoBO as they loved the 2024 draft. Keith Law was the biggest fan of Mets prospects for quite some time - maybe because of his friendship with longtime Mets scouting director Tommy Tanous who he worked together with for years as part of the Toronto Blue Jays in the mid 2000s...Mark Vientos being an example of a Mets prospect constantly downgraded by the BP folks and liked a lot better by BA or Law. Interesting.Later
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Author Posted January 28, 2025 Fans claiming bias, either for or against a given team's prospects, is as old and unprovable as are charges of umpire/referee bias.So I'd take 'interesting' and replace it with 'wildly speculative'.
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 I've always taken prospect reports with a grain of salt since the report in Baseball Digest said Bud Harrelson had "good power for a shortstop".Later
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Edgy MD wrote:Of the last two Mets National League Jackie Robinson Award winners — Jacob deGrom's shadow never touched Keith Law's top 100 (or any other, as far as I'm aware), and I think Pete Alonso topped out at #90 or so. It's fun to spot trends, but they can reverse themselves purty fast. Power can make an impact quickly (in deGrom's and Alonso's cases, quicker than the evaluators can update their lists), but so can a blown tendon or two.Does anyone know who does MLB's list?From what I remember, Keith Law and Baseball America were the authorities on the subject.Pete Alonso was 51 on the MLB list in 2019.https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2019/top100/https://www.mlb.com/milb/prospects/2019/top100/I cannot access Law's 2019 rankings (he was behind the paywall at ESPN then), but he was higher on Kelenic and Dunn and had some doubts about Alonso and Gimenez.I don't want to get confused as some of these rankings are pre-season, some are mid-season, and some are post-season, but obviously pre-season 2019 was the last chance anybody had to get on the Alonso train, and he was still expressing doubts despite Alonso's terrific 2018 at AA and AAA. (The Mets were still AAA-ing in Las Vegas at the time, so maybe that was a factor.)If Mayo had Alonso higher, good on him. Like I wrote, Law can be very stubborn in his logic, and as noted by Frayed Knot, part of that logic includes being stubborn about firstbasemen because of the general lack of secondary tools.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 Here is our https://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/archives/27800/f1_t27891.shtml2019 version of this thread, and Law indeed had Alonso at 90 and Gimenez at 97.To his credit, he was bullish back then on a very young version of Mark Vientos.To my discredit, I was calling him "Key Flaw" back then too.
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 28, 2025 Posted January 28, 2025 I was a big Luis Santana fan (I think I adopted him).OE: Yep, I did:https://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=27772&p=163555&hilit=luis+santana#p163555https://phpbb3.leaptoad.com/mets/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=27772&p=163555&hilit=luis+santana#p163555Later
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