Are the Mets Just Bad

[Frayed Knot]

And, as per the chart above, the Mets are Nine games better than the Phillies over the last 3+ months

iow, their fans should be worried about those games at least as much as ours.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Bob Alpacadaca wrote: I worry about the seven games with the Phillies.

And three games with the Braves, which is an opportunity as well as a challenge.



But there are also nine games against losing teams: Toronto (67-74), Cincinnati (67-73), and Washington (62-77). If they can take a majority of those nine games, I'll accept four losses against the Phillies if it comes to that. Maybe even five.

[DocTee]

Per Howie Rose on X: "Since June 3 (81 games, or a half season worth) the Mets are 52-29. That's a 104-win pace, not a mirage. The Mets are good, get on board"

[Centerfield]

Atlanta has the softer schedule the rest of the way.



1 game vs. Rockies

3 games vs. Toronto

1 game vs. Reds

2 games @ Washington

4 games vs. LA Dodgers

3 games @ Reds

3 games @ Miami

3 games vs. Mets

3 games vs. KC



10 games vs. teams over .500, including 3 against the Mets. So basically, only 7 games where we can realistically expect any help. 3 of those being the last weekend.

13 games vs. teams under .500



By comparison, the Mets have 13 games vs. teams over .500, and only 9 games against teams under .500. That last weekend, we'll likely be playing a Milwaukee team that has clinched, but may be jockeying with Philly for a first round bye. The Braves will play KC, who may also have clinched the third WC but may be playing to avoid Baltimore/NYY.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Per Howie Rose on X: "Since June 3 (81 games, or a half season worth) the Mets are 52-29. That's a 104-win pace, not a mirage. The Mets are good, get on board"

Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

[MFS62]

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Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

[batmagadanleadoff]

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Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

[Frayed Knot]

While by the standards of seven game win streaks the Mets have seemingly gained little ground lately.

But flash back to the loss to Arizona on Aug 28 (the Diaz walk-walk-GS game). At the end of that night the Mets were four games in back of Atlanta,

six in back of San Diego, and seven behind Arizona. But in just eight days 4, 6, and 7 game deficits have turned into 0, 3.0, and 2.5



And that ain't nuthin'!

[Frayed Knot]

What's going to hurt Vientos most in the MVP voting is the 200-250 Plate Appearance deficit he'll have compared to most of the everyday players.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: What's going to hurt Vientos most in the MVP voting is the 200-250 Plate Appearance deficit he'll have compared to most of the everyday players.

Absolutely. He won't come near the top vote-getters. But he should get down ballot votes.



Is Vientos even in the National conversation yet? Is the National media noticing this guy yet?

[Frayed Knot]

Top ten for him certainly isn't out of the question.

[Centerfield]

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At scoring runs? 17th in MLB in runs scored, 17th in MLB in OPS.



Maybe the good news here is that they almost have to get better. McNeil, JD, and Lindor are all under .700 in OPS. McNeil might be washed, but the other two you'd think will end up significantly higher. Alonso's OPS is .715. That will improve. Nimmo's also below career norms at .744.



But the others might be what they are. Marte, Baty, Alvarez, Bader. They kinda are what they've been. Maybe one of them will break out but you certainly can't bank on it.



So far, the young guys on the farm aren't providing much hope. Jett Williams is injured and batting .179. Acuna's OPS is .595. Drew Gilbert is out until the end of this month with a hamstring. Maybe we call up Vientos and hope he's improved with the glove enough to stick around.

[MFS62]

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Is Vientos even in the National conversation yet? Is the National media noticing this guy yet?

[Benjamin Grimm]

https://leaptoad.com/mets/above_below_500_graph.php?year=2024>

[metirish]

That graph is amazing

[Frayed Knot]

From June 11th on they were 11.5 games better than Philly, and that doesn't even include the recent four contests.

So you can describe this series a lot of different ways, but 'fluke' can't be one of them.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Very true. The Phillies were the better team in April and May. The Mets were the better team in September and October.



It seems to have worked out well.

[ashie62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: https://leaptoad.com/mets/above_below_500_graph.php?year=2024>

There had to be cheating going on

[batmagadanleadoff]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: https://leaptoad.com/mets/above_below_500_graph.php?year=2024> There had to be cheating going on

I was wondering about this just the other day. Just wondering, that's all.