IGT 5/6/2023: COL@NYM -- Meditate the Mets

[ashie62]

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Nice to hear Bill Pulsipher talk about mental health

[Edgy MD]

Hopefully, whiffing the side can be something to carry over.

[Tamora]

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Nice to hear Bill Pulsipher talk about mental health

[ashie62]

Marte loses ball in the sun

[Edgy MD]

Can o' Blackmon corn.

[ashie62]

Rally

[ashie62]

Bingo time

[ashie62]

And, no ..

[Frayed Knot]

Once again with the automatic mound visit when a PH is announced.

I can't for the life of me understand why that exception is allowed.

[Frayed Knot]

Nice to hear Bill Pulsipher talk about mental health Forgive my ignorance but I'm not in the states. Has mental health been a taboo subject in baseball kinda like hockey? For example, Derek Boogard issues at the Rangers/Wild never really came out in full until after his passing. As well as similar issues for the likes of Jordan TooToo who has discussed them openlysince retiring.

Not being mentally "tough" has long been seen as a sign of weakness in sports. As Ronnie said, not only would that not have been accepted as an excuse in his day but you'd be ridiculed for even bringing it up.



The difference between what Pulsipher went through and the hockey players you bring up is that weren't their issues caused by, or at keast exacerbated by, physical trauma brought on by the game itself.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Let's go, Bottom-of-the-Eighth-Mets!!

[ashie62]

Time for the Mets to become erect with runs



RALLY

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Let's go, Bottom-of-the-Eighth-Mets!!

Ummmm, we're in the 9th

[ashie62]

CAN DO

[Edgy MD]

Not so much.

Frayed Knot wrote: As Ronnie said, not only would that not have been accepted as an excuse in his day but you'd be ridiculed for even bringing it up.

Ronnie says this sort of thing a lot, and it makes me wonder just how toxic that 1980s Mets clubhouse was, and who were the guys that kept the toxins flowing.



Because it's not a stretch to think that he's implicating the guy who usually sits to his right.

[ashie62]

Guillorme here?

[Frayed Knot]

In that aspect I don't know that the NYM clubhouse was all that different from others.

[Tamora]

Frayed Knot wrote: Nice to hear Bill Pulsipher talk about mental health Forgive my ignorance but I'm not in the states. Has mental health been a taboo subject in baseball kinda like hockey? For example, Derek Boogard issues at the Rangers/Wild never really came out in full until after his passing. As well as similar issues for the likes of Jordan TooToo who has discussed them openlysince retiring. Not being mentally "tough" has long been seen as a sign of weakness in sports. As Ronnie said, not only would that not have been accepted as an excuse in his day but you'd be ridiculed for even bringing it up. The difference between what Pulsipher went through and the hockey players you bring up is that weren't their issues caused by, or at keast exacerbated by, physical trauma brought on by the game itself.

The mental weakness is applicable to Dereks situation and yes there was physical issues as an enforcer. However, Derek had long term depression from junior as he never really liked fighting but it was his only route to the nhl. The depression exacerbated as his situation worsened and enforcers became less relevant in the game. The inability to openly talk about this and seek help certainly was an issue for him and others.



I'm glad it's getting better in all sports as he was a gentle giant and a lovely guy at heart.

[metirish]

Too many caught looking today

[ashie62]

Booo



Unprepared to play today imho

[Tamora]

I don't envy Joey Luchessi for tomorrow keeping them to 2 runs to try and win within this current offence.

[bmfc1]

It's time to part ways with Guillorme and call up Mauricio.

[Frayed Knot]

And Boogard's physical problems could also date back to his junior days in the same way that NFL players often have concussion issues dating back to college and even high school.



Sometimes the physical and mental becomes a chicken/egg thing as far as which predates the other.

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: In that aspect I don't know that the NYM clubhouse was all that different from others.

Indeed, but it's more interesting in the micro.

[Frayed Knot]

It was sometime in the '80s when Darrell Porter came out as an alcoholic but that was kept under wraps for a while before finally going public. And then I remember CLE Mgr Mike Hargrove, a few years later, treading the old/new school line when dealing with the Little Lake Nellie boat wreck.



Those might have been among the earlier cracks in the macho wall.

[Edgy MD]

A few years down the road, we could have two players who missed time with depression/anxiety/mental health issues (Zack Greinke and Joey Votto) enter the Hall of Fame at the same time.

[whippoorwill]

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Marv Albert looks great, and his wig hasn't aged a day

[Tamora]

Frayed Knot wrote: And Boogard's physical problems could also date back to his junior days in the same way that NFL players often have concussion issues dating back to college and even high school. Sometimes the physical and mental becomes a chicken/egg thing as far as which predates the other.

There's a good documentary about it from the New York Times still around and it is a combination of the two. Mental pressure/expectation as a kid and physical injuries from fighting every game. With a kid who just wanted to skate and score.



A kid, aand not the only one, who was given the sole option of becoming a goon to make it as a professional player. A tough position to be in when you're dreams right there but you have to do something horrible to fulfil it.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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