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nymr83

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Not that I'm complaining about how things worked out for the Mets, but what message are teams sending to their fans if they're too cheap to draft the best player available?


"that guy wanted too much money above slot and we'd rather have a different guy plus a better second, third, and fourth rounder rather than pay that guy and then have to make 'senior signs'" is pretty much the message.


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nymr83

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Edgy MD wrote:

It's far more interesting to me what message we send by allowing the league to get away with having a bonus pool limit at all. It's utter garbage.


management and the labor union have the same interests here so it will likely never change.


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No, they don't. Not really.



Beyond that, there are other interests that matter, that count, and that have legal representation.


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Edgy MD wrote:

No, they don't. Not really.



Beyond that, there are other interests that matter, that count, and that have legal representation.


Yes, they do. Even if its not dollar for dollar, which unless your owner is Freddie Coupon it probably isn't, money spent on amateurs is less money spent on union members.



Unions in all walks of life negotiate the benefits of future members, but in most of these cases those future members become members on Day 1 of employment. Not so in baseball, where 75%+ of draftees never do and so are beholden to an agreement between management and a union they'll never be a part of. This is in contrast to say an auto-workers union that negotiates lower benefits for future workers - but those workers immediately gain a vote when they are hired and could look to overturn union management.



The union has a clear conflict of interest.



What other interests are you referring to that "have legal representation"? what recourse do you suggest high school kids being drafted have against a league with anti trust exemption?


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1) The players and union each have an interest in ripping off amateurs, but it is not the same interest.



2) "High-school kids" is not an accurate description of the draft pool.



3) The idea that the teams are at their maximum spending limit is baseless. If they were, they wouldn't have a draft or a bonus cap. They install these things not because they have to, but because they want to, so no, it isn't true at all that "money spent on amateurs is less money spent on union members." Scarce commodities drive up prices.



4) Draftees have solidarity on their side.



5) Minor league unionization has momentum.



6) Agents are another party that is being ripped off. They are savvy professionals.



7) The anti-trust exemption is not guaranteed into perpetuity. Another party that has an interest in removing artificial constraints on the labor market is America.



8) If you're going to play the "Freddie Coupon" card, I'm not sure what else to say.


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Edgy MD wrote:



8) If you're going to play the "Freddie Coupon" card, I'm not sure what else to say.


my meaning there was that there is only a 1:1 link in spending if the cheap owner creates one.





The Mets, by the way, drafted only 4th year college players in rounds 3-10, presumably to lowball them and pay Rocker


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I know. I noted that early.



I guess my point is that I have a Milagro Beanfield War view of economics and justice. While exploitation is a constant in the macro, the individual mechanisms of exploitation in the micro are very much unsustainable and terminal.


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In case you're wondering why they drafted so many pitchers, this might be a clue:

Here are the scheduled starters for their minor league teams tonight:

Syracuse: TBD

Binghamton: Rennie 1-4 8.77 ERA

Brooklyn: Vilera 1-5 9.36 ERA

St. Lucie: Moreno 2-1 5.90 ERA



Hold the fort down there guys. Help is on the way.



Later


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Frayed Knot wrote:

The current rotation in your minor league system is NOT a reason to draft pitchers.


I agree. A minor league team is just a life support system for your real prospects - giving them games in which to develop their skills.

But an organization still should have some pitchers who will one day be able to help out the major league club. And this organization is lacking many of those. Not to beat up on them (I only used them as an example), but when the minors had more teams / leagues, I'm guessing the guys I mentioned would have been one (or two) levels lower, being given more time to develop whatever abilities they have.



I was putting a positive spin on their draft selections. If you take what I wrote as something more than that, you could say it was an implied shot at BVW and his staff for leaving the organization in a situation where Rennie and Velera are in the starting rotation for their teams at their levels. This draft is the start of rectifying that problem.



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But you also don't draft for immediate need at the major league level either and you keep making references to handedness and/or positions based on a snapshot of the ML club as it exists at the moment.

But only a small percentage of these picks (all teams) are ever going to play in the majors and those who do are usually one to four seasons away when the makeup/mgmt/philosophy of the club could be

very different the way it is now. Additionally, a good chunk of those who do make it will play only fleetingly and often for neither the organization that drafts them nor at the position they currently play.



The best way to go about things it to take the best overall player available with your top pick then repeat that as often as possible. Any resulting issues will sort themselves out over time.


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Just going through the rest of the college boys the Mets drafted. Here's where we currently are:



9th round - Levi David - 6'5", 220 lbs, 4-year college senior Northwestern State U.

https://dbukjj6eu5tsf.cloudfront.net/sidearm.sites/nsudemons.com/images/2021/4/13/001_NSU_40_Levi_David.jpg>



10th round - Keyshawn Askew - 6'4" 190 lbs. junior from Clemson. Described as: "Lefthander who has seen action as both a starter and reliever … has an unorthodox throwing motion". Keshawn gets two pictures cause his big, lefty leg kick and side-arm delivery remind me a little of D-Train.

https://2cic.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/t/stories/19/baseball/askew_keyshawn_charlotte_800.jpg>

https://pbr-affd.kxcdn.com/passets/photo/GA/4372698051-Keyshawn-Askew.jpg>



11th round - Rowdey Jordan - 5'10" 190 lbs, senior from Mississippi St. Fun fact: He is named after the character "Rowdey" from the movie Days of Thunder

https://cdispatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/20210327_BB_vs_Arkansas_JordanR_AP_0853-copy-scaled.jpg>



12th round - Jack-Thomas Wold - just your average 5'10, 220 lbs, senior from UNLV

https://www.oursportscentral.com/graphics/pictures/lg20180705-46359.jpg>



13th round - Matt Rudick - 5'9" 170 lbs. junior out of San Diego State. He may be kinda small, but he hit .410 and reached base in every game he appeared in so suck on that, haters

https://dbukjj6eu5tsf.cloudfront.net/goaztecs.com/images/2020/2/23/20200223_baseball_sdsu_v_usc_dtuskan_00028.jpg>


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How are those two shots of Askew even the same pitcher?



You see a big kick like that and you expect it to be coming from over the top, a la Gooden. Dontrelle had a massive kick, but he came from three quarters.


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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

I like that Clemson lefty. He's the kinda guy Omar would have drafted 1st and debuted the next week.



Also digging Rowsdey's hot pants


Those above-the-knee pants Rowdey's rocking are kinda NFL looking?


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Round 16



Trey McLoughlin - 6'2" 210 lbs senior from Fairfield CT. Trey was expecting to get https://www.sheltonherald.com/sports/article/Trey-McLoughlin-wants-another-shot-at-MLB-draft-15836049.phpdrafted last year in rounds 10-15 but had to go back to school when they cut the draft to 5 rounds. I wonder how many guys had to do the same and tanked this year and didn't get drafted. :'-(



https://dbukjj6eu5tsf.cloudfront.net/sidearm.sites/fairfielduni.sidearmsports.com/images/2021/5/28/_SPI1799.JPG>


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Round 19



It's like the end of a fantasy draft and the Mets realize they still need a catcher. Enter Drake Osborn from the Univ of Louisiana - Lafayette. 5'10" 190 lbs and lead-off hitter for your Ragin' Cajuns.



https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/theadvocate.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/ca/1cab6239-7698-59a4-b11c-b1c9cacfe487/60567521b0062.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C960>


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Kumar Rocker and his people agreed to a bonus amount very shortly after the draft. But now the Mets have all but three of their picks signed*, but Rocker is one of them.



Now some buzz out there is suggesting that Coobymar has a medical issue.




*I take that back. All Mets draft picks but Rocker have signed.


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