Poor-Sell-Oh

[batmagadanleadoff]

What is your obsession with Plawecki's sex toys?

Me? Obsessed?



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[Ceetar]

the Mets could absolutely win the World Series before Cohen (assuming it happens) takes over. The odds of it happening might be greater than the Wheeler, Cole, or Strasburg winning a Cy Young. So biggest story? not a damn chance.



Look, "on paper" the Mets were in the hunt last year.



Nationals 90

Phillies 86

Mets 85

Braves 84



was the final fangraphs projections. 5 games is a bunch, but it's not really 'run away' territory. the Mets went 12-7 against the Nats, which easily would've bumped them ahead, all other things equal, which of course they're not, but it's hard not to see a team with maybe slightly less projected talent but results that make up for it as "toe to toe". The Braves blowing the projections out of the water is something to look at going forward for sure, but 2019s results factored in and they'll probably bump up.



but even if you replayed 2019 with the same rosters you'd get different results. Having 2019 Strasburg or Jacob deGrom is not much of a given for 2020 results. Using how 2019 looked, even how it ended, as a guide to where the teams stand in 2020 isn't super userful, nor is trying to 1-1 replace rotation pieces and saying they're X better.



The Mets are in a good position. They've got the 'paper' talent of a team a few tickets above .500 which the potential for even a few more depending on what shakes out in the offseason and who's healthy when the bell rings. They've got a lot of good players, some coaches I'm hopeful about, and a division that while competitive, isn't without plenty of issues.



So yes, if they'd signed Cole and Rendon maybe they'd be 50% to make the playoffs instead of 33. But hell, it's not all doom and gloom and you can talk about Cohen all you want as it pertains to the franchise, but it's not particularly interesting to the 2020 construction of the team or what's going to happen with it, which presumably is what we're all 99% interested in. (granted, I know some here actually enjoy sojourns into teams/players from 30 years ago and barely pay attention, but those people aside)

[Centerfield]

=nymr83 post_id=28380 time=1576259452 user_id=54]
Mike Piazza? He was signed 20 years ago before anyone had ever heard of Bernie Madoff. How is he at all an argument for what the Mets do right or wrong now?

[Centerfield]

=Ceetar post_id=28376 time=1576257383 user_id=102]

=Centerfield post_id=28373 time=1576257301 user_id=65]
Was he? He spends day and night defending and justifying the Wilpons it's hard to tell.

[batmagadanleadoff]

the Mets could absolutely win the World Series before Cohen (assuming it happens) takes over. The odds of it happening might be greater than the Wheeler, Cole, or Strasburg winning a Cy Young. So biggest story? not a damn chance.

I see. The Mets might "absolutely" win the WS real soon. So therefore, the Wilpons relinquishing the Mets won't be one of the biggest stories in franchise history. Hey Centerfield: does any of that make any sense you, 'cause to me, it doesn't.

Look, "on paper" the Mets were in the hunt last year. Nationals 90 Phillies 86 Mets 85 Braves 84

And that'e precisely the half-assed, half measure Wilpon approach. To be in the hunt rather than to project as a first place team. Because by your own numbers, the Mets were, on paper, a third place team much closer to fourth place than to first place.

[Edgy MD]

Interestingly, Fangraphs actually projects them as something of a first place team right now.



I don't want to make too much of that, because there's a lot that can improved on or fucked up between now and then.



And hey, please use the F-bomb neutrally around here, Ceets, rather than pointed at fellow posters.

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Interestingly, Fangraphs actually projects them as something of a first place team right now. I don't want to make too much of that, because there's a lot that can improved on or fucked up between now and then. And hey, please use the F-bomb neutrally around here, Ceets, rather than pointed at fellow posters.

I thought that was pretty neutral. not 'fuck you' but go 'fuck off'


=Centerfield post_id=28390 time=1576263447 user_id=65]




Wait. Why do I have to fuck off? I said you spend night and day defending and justifying the Wilpons. Am I wrong? In fact, after telling me to fuck off, you spent the rest of your post defending and justifying the Wilpons.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=28396 time=1576268136 user_id=102]


I don't understand why the both of you insist on characterizing positive about the Mets moves and prospects as having anything to do with the Wilpons,

[Edgy MD]

I'll be plenty happy if he's better than Vince Velasquez, Jordan Montgomery, and Aníbal Sánchez.

[Ceetar]

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=Ceetar post_id=28396 time=1576268136 user_id=102]


I don't understand why the both of you insist on characterizing positive about the Mets moves and prospects as having anything to do with the Wilpons,

[Lefty Specialist]

Jeez, 2025 can't come fast enough.

[Fman99]

What is your obsession with Plawecki's sex toys? Me? Obsessed? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49214236671_c3f100b165_c.jpg>

That issue is almost as good as the one on Doc Gooden's favorite lubricants.

[batmagadanleadoff]

What is your obsession with Plawecki's sex toys? Me? Obsessed? https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49214236671_c3f100b165_c.jpg> That issue is almost as good as the one on Doc Gooden's favorite lubricants.

You like the Sex issues? We have more.

[LWFS]

Interesting perspective from Verducci on the sneaky prudence of the Porcello signing, https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/12/12/mets-rick-porcello?xid=socialflow_facebook_si&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sportsillustrated&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR1aK39_8hOyaWw4JHkh-qOJ9LR55TGPJMli-7WwrOFBCKrwZ5TJt9pglgQthis... in which he posits that a few changes in terms of approach might yield significant positive results.

[bLOCKQUOTE]The righthander has terrific tools in terms of spin rate but needs to refine how he uses his stuff. Look for new Mets pitching coach Jeremy Hefner, who came from Minnesota, to turn Porcello into Jake Odorizzi 2.0–working the zone up and down rather than side to side. A guy with similar stuff, Odorizzi had a lengthy conversation with Porcello last September about how that transition helped his career...

... Porcello's other issue is that he can't rely as often on his fastballs, especially his sinker, to put hitters away. His biggest problem in 2019 was making mistakes with his fastball when ahead.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

I like the Porcello signing, I think (I'm less sanguine on our other formerly-sanguine-clad SP acquisition). I just would really love another investment or three in the rotation or bullpen that AREN'T fixer-uppers besides.

[G-Fafif]

Rick as a Met made official.



Stephen Nogosek designated to take a hike.

[G-Fafif]

Dude talks an excellent game (from DiComo).

"This is a big deal for me,” Porcello said on a conference call. “I grew up a lifelong Mets fan as a kid. To get the opportunity to play for the organization that I cheered on for so many years is a huge honor."

[smg58]

Well it will be easy to root for one of us, at least.

[ashie62]

Porcello is close to Seton Hall prep. Might help. Then again he has a multiyear ineffective card.



Cohen, arm wrestle Jeff for Betts. Jeff Wilpon, the pride of Flushing High School. Further education and an MBA may have served him well

[LWFS]

=ashie62 post_id=28536 time=1576552948 user_id=90]
Porcello is close to Seton Hall prep. Might help. Then again he has a multiyear ineffective card.

[G-Fafif]

Matz, Stroman, Brach, Porcello...and Alonso is definitely a Mets fan these days.

[Edgy MD]

Szapucki was born in Tom's River, but he went to High School in Florida, so I guess he's got MLBS potential.



Zamora, of course, colleged at Stony Brook.