The MFYs Are Savages

[Edgy MD]

You're halfway there, guy. Mets should give you a season package for 2020 gratis.



And they would, but cartel members can't pull that on each other.

[batmagadanleadoff]

He doesn't want Mets tickets. He's still a Yankee fan. He sez he'll continue to watch on TV and maybe, catch 'em on the road. He can. boycott the owners and still go to home games by not. buying his tix directly from the team. That's what I do. I've never bought a Citi Field ticket directly from the Mets. Though they still get my yearbook and food .money, I suppose.

[Edgy MD]

You see trouble in a relationship, it's time to move in and show what you've got, before the one you want falls back into old habits and re-settles with the old-boyfriend.

[nymr83]

was the $92 fee mentioned upfront when he bought this year's tickets? if so, quit whining! if not, fuck the yankees! (well, fuck them anyway!)

[Frayed Knot]

was the $92 fee mentioned upfront when he bought this year's tickets? -- seeing as how he had to call the ticket office after the fact to find out what the charge was for, the charge was apparently

neither mentioned upfront nor explained on the bill



if so, quit whining! -- not sure putting a 'Because we feel like it' line on the bill makes it A-OK to charge you more than others for the exact same product or service

The blue plate special today is $9.95, unless of course you don't also agree to come back for dinner next week and pre-pay for that meal now in which case we're charging you $12.95

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: was the $92 fee mentioned upfront when he bought this year's tickets? -- seeing as how he had to call the ticket office after the fact to find out what the charge was for, the charge was apparently neither mentioned upfront nor explained on the bill if so, quit whining! -- not sure putting a 'Because we feel like it' line on the bill makes it A-OK to charge you more than others for the exact same product or service The blue plate special today is $9.95, unless of course you don't also agree to come back for dinner next week and pre-pay for that meal now in which case we're charging you $12.95

I don't care enough to dig in, but I wouldn't be surprised if they charge that for everyone and the ticket office explained it stupidly/maliciously.



and i agree, a lot, about how fucked up this all is, and it's also barely unique to the Yankees, as everything that's ticketed has a "cause we feel like it" fee or 17.

[MFS62]

Most business courses will tell you it costs ten times more to get a new customer than to retain an old (dissatisfied) one.

They would also say to retain that dissatisfied customer, you offer a price decrease, not an increase (surcharge).

This is not only offensive, it is textbook stupid.



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[Guest 41Forever]

One time I bought tickets for a hockey game at the team's own box office and was charged with a $2 service charge. I thought that was odd. It's one thing to get a fee for buying from the team online or through Ticketmaster or something. But I don't it's right to charge a service charge when I walk down to the box office and try to buy one in person from the team itself.

[Frayed Knot]

Those kinds of fees are tacked on all the time -- on-line tickets have been known to carry a 'printing fee' even though they didn't print shit -- and are essentially just a way of charging more

without raising the base price of the ticket itself. It would be much more honest just to up the price of the ticket and have it be all inclusive but ticket sellers obviously think that type of bait-

and-switch is effective at attracting customers who are then reluctant to back out once they've made the commitment.



The apparent difference here is that they're specifically charging some customers a different price from others as a penalty for not re-upping tickets plans for next season. Or, as this guy put

it, first they gouge you (40% price increase over two years) and then they screw you on top of that. And keep in mind that this $92 'service charge' could apply to as little as two games.

[bmfc1]

You might not believe me but a pitcher named Wilmer Font played for the Mets THIS SEASON. He pitched 31 innings and started 3 games. Anyway, he's starting for the Blue Jays today against the MFYs.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: was the $92 fee mentioned upfront when he bought this year's tickets? -- seeing as how he had to call the ticket office after the fact to find out what the charge was for, the charge was apparently neither mentioned upfront nor explained on the bill if so, quit whining! -- not sure putting a 'Because we feel like it' line on the bill makes it A-OK to charge you more than others for the exact same product or service The blue plate special today is $9.95, unless of course you don't also agree to come back for dinner next week and pre-pay for that meal now in which case we're charging you $12.95

Just because he had to call didn't mean it wasnt already spelled out. And I'm not asking if it was spelled out when he bought playoff tickets, after already investing in the regular season. I'm asking if it was laid out in the pricing he was shown when he signed up for 2019 season tickets before actually paying anything.

[Frayed Knot]

I'm asking if it was laid out in the pricing he was shown when he signed up for 2019 season tickets before actually paying anything.

The article didn't specify ... BUT



1) I highly doubt that when he paid for his 2019 season tickets (probably over a year ago) that the agreement to buy included a clause concerning a $92 'Fuck You Fee' to be assessed IF the team made the

playoffs in 2019 and IF the buyer wanted a crack at those playoff tickets but also wouldn't pre-commit to re-upping for a plan still two seasons away at that point.



AND



2) that that's a good business practice even if they DID jam that disclaimer somewhere into the fine print

This guy obviously doesn't think it is and sees it more as them figuring out a way of getting extra cash from those who won't agree to give them the extra cash via next year's hefty price increase.

So they've "won" in that they're getting his $92 but they've also driven a lifetime fan and season ticket buyer away from their stadium, he says for good.

[Edgy MD]

If he's like everybody else, he probably checked a box saying that, sure, he's read the five-page, single-spaced, six-point-type agreement, and assents to all its terms, when he, in fact, had read not two words. That's a great place to hide the fuck-you fees.

[whippoorwill]

Edgy MD wrote: America 2019. Monopolies are AWESOME.

College football tix. Pay for the season tickets plus a large contribution or you're sitting in the end zone. Behind a pole. On the top row.

J/K but I've heard at PSU you'd better sweeten your season ticket payment or your seats suck

[Edgy MD]

Who'd have thought that tickets would become so poorly regulated that the only way they found to control the secondary scalpers' market was to scalp you up front at the box office.

[seawolf17]

Reading about Dellin Betances' injury yesterday that will end his season. He's 32, a four-time all-star, Can Play In New York™, heading into free agency for the first time.



Guarantee the Mets offer him a Familia contract this off-season and then watch him implode, while they DFA someone like Walker Lockett and watch him become a key 8th-inning guy for the Cardinals or whoever.

[Frayed Knot]

I feel bad for Betances cuz he not only got screwed over via the arbitration process but got mocked by the Yanx for daring to suggest that he was worth closer money while never officially being THE closer even

as he filled-in at that spot often enough to rack up 36 saves over the years, was often the best reliever on their team, and was usually the one they leaned on hardest.

He averaged 70+ appearances and 80-some innings per/year; has a career 2.36 ERA/1.04 WHIP; ERA+ numbers always over 150 and twice over 250 and was a four-time All-Star



But because he never had the word C-L-O-S-E-R stamped on his forehead, the arbitration process stuck him in with the middle relievers while NYY Prez/resident asshole Randy Levine publicly berated both Betances

and his agent for 'making a mockery' of the arbitration process for wanting to compare himself to the league's top relievers. iow, he didn't "know his place" and how dare he even try.

So now here he is finally reaching FA-gency and getting to determine what his true salary would be. But he's going to have to find out while coming off a season-long injury and heading into the off-season with another

one and is now on the cusp of turning 32 y/o (Mar 2020) just as older players aren't cashing in on the FA process. He SHOULD be a prime example for the player's union of a guy not getting paid while he's young and

good only to find out that he's also not going to be paid on the back half either.

[Frayed Knot]

I feel bad for Betances cuz he not only got screwed over via the arbitration process but got mocked by the Yanx for daring to suggest that he was worth closer money while never officially being THE closer even

as he filled-in at that spot often enough to rack up 36 saves over the years, was often the best reliever on their team, and was usually the one they leaned on hardest.

He averaged 70+ appearances and 80-some innings per/year; has a career 2.36 ERA/1.04 WHIP; ERA+ numbers always over 150 and twice over 250 and was a four-time All-Star



But because he never had the word C-L-O-S-E-R stamped on his forehead, the arbitration process stuck him in with the middle relievers while NYY Prez/resident asshole Randy Levine publicly berated both Betances

and his agent for 'making a mockery' of the arbitration process for wanting to compare himself to the league's top relievers. iow, he didn't "know his place" and how dare he even try.

So now here he is finally reaching FA-gency and getting to determine what his true salary would be. But he's going to have to find out while coming off a season-long injury and heading into the off-season with another

one and is now on the cusp of turning 32 y/o (Mar 2020) just as older players aren't cashing in on the FA process. He SHOULD be a prime example for the player's union of a guy not getting paid while he's young and

good only to find out that he's also not going to be paid on the back half either.

[Edgy MD]

And yet, minor-leaguers are told that it's good for them to work for starvation wages, because it makes them hungry.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: I feel bad for Betances cuz he not only got screwed over via the arbitration process ....

This is, perhaps, the biggest reason why MLB is still in this stupid state where the best relievers are reserved for the ninth inning "closer" role and why the stupid save stat still carries so much weight. Because closers and relievers with high save totals get disproportionately rewarded in the arbitration process. You'd think that the arbitration setting is a more intelligent process, where players are assessed objectively, removed from the emotional and psychic value of "the save". You'd think that arbitrators, by now, have been exposed to mountains of evidence on behalf of so called set-up relievers whose stats are just as impressive as those of the ninth inning guys, other than that they don't get to rack up the saves because they don't pitch the ninth inning. But no. So we're in this loop where the best relievers want to close because they want the saves, which will make them more money. Of the save guys get more money in arbitration, they'll also make more money in free agency. And so it goes.

[HahnSolo]

=seawolf17 post_id=22220 time=1568825565 user_id=91]
Reading about Dellin Betances' injury yesterday that will end his season. He's 32, a four-time all-star, Can Play In New York™, heading into free agency for the first time.



Guarantee the Mets offer him a Familia contract this off-season and then watch him implode, while they DFA someone like Walker Lockett and watch him become a key 8th-inning guy for the Cardinals or whoever.

[Frayed Knot]

This is, perhaps, the biggest reason why MLB is still in this stupid state where the best relievers are reserved for the ninth inning "closer" role and why the stupid save stat still carries so much weight ... yadda yadda ... And so it goes.

The NFL has a somewhat similar, though considerably worse, system.

Once an NFL player is "franchised" it effectively negates the fact that he otherwise qualifies for FA-gency. To compensate, said player is to be guaranteed a top salary (Top 5, I think) among those at his position.

The snag is that, like the set-up/closer roles, a player's position isn't always so neatly defined. So what an NFL team can do is label the player at a position where the top salaries are lower, even if that position

wasn't that player's primary spot! And, as usual in the NFL, players who don't think they were labeled correctly can challenge the league's decision by appealing it ... to the league that made it. And I'm pretty

sure that 'The Shield' is undefeated in those fights.





Back to baseball, one would think that the arbitration board would be a little less beholden to tradition but I guess it's kind of a Supreme Court 'Stare Decisis' kind of deal: allowing past precedent to rule heavily in

present and future decisions. Betances & his agent took the position that the label shouldn't matter, but not only did they lose that argument but then the team essentially publicly berated him for daring to try.

IIRC, not only did Randy Levine wail about what he labeled as 'a violation of the sanctity of the arbitration process' (whatever the fuck that means) but then added that Betances comparing himself to a closer was

as random as he (Levine) calling himself an astronaut.

[Edgy MD]

Dellin Betances: 36 career saves.



Randy Levine: 0 career space missions.



What a jerk.

[ashie62]

Domingo German, suspended for domestic abuse

[Edgy MD]

Not so much suspended as "placed on leave," while the investigation takes place.



I usually associate actions like this with relievers. It's rare (to my anecdotal observations) to see starting pitchers getting themselves into this kind of trouble.



Good for the Yankees in releasing statements supporting the leave and the investigation, considering they are losing a pitcher with a Conesque 18-4 record on the eve of the playoffs. I guess they more or less had to, but still.