My Interpretation -- Sandy to Wilpons: Go Fuck Yourselves!

[batmagadanleadoff]

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEAENjntq1K42fBWWaRDwXUQqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySwwi9a0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aenhttps://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEAENjntq1K42fBWWaRDwXUQqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySwwi9a0BQ?hl=en-US≷=US&ceid=US%3Aen

[Centerfield]

I'm not surprised to see that Sandy took the high road. I would have been shocked if Alderson came out with a blistering tell-all.



Look, I'm sure Alderson is a good guy, but he's not without fault. He acted as a shield for the Wilpons for years, enabled them to act in their Wilpon way, and threw Cespedes under the bus when he knew the guy was playing hurt.



So fuck Sandy too. Along with the Wilpons. And Brodie. Fuck them all.

[kcmets]

Alderson is now cancer-free and working as an adviser for the A's.

Good for him!

[Ceetar]

I mean, plenty of people do come back and work for the Mets, so it can't be all bad. I wouldn't have expected an employee of another team to really delve into his former job?



He also voluntarily came back a few times right? renewed his contract? I think he's been back one or twice in NY for events around the team since or am I mistaking that?



Plenty of bad to say working for..well working for any big organization or rich person, but a drumming up a non-quote as negative is just clickbait.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

I think it's true that they sabotaged him, gave him insufficient resources, undermined him by hiring FoFs, then blamed him.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Of course the Wilpons did all of that to Sandy. They didnt even want him in the first place. MLB foisted Sandy upon the Mets, an organization that moves billions with an "s" dollars in and out every year yet was once forced to borrow $25K from the league to keep its lights on.

[Ceetar]

Of course the Wilpons did all of that to Sandy. They didnt even want him in the first place. MLB foisted Sandy upon the Mets, an organization that moves billions with an "s" dollars in and out every year yet was once forced to borrow $25K from the league to keep its lights on.

as many teams do, especially ones with frozen assets.



There's no evidence that Sandy was foisted upon the Mets, that's just one of those dumb WFAN things people say. I'd love to hear real sources on that though. And then he stayed beyond that anyway, beyond the frozen assets, beyond the times the team was technically in the red. Why would that even make sense? MLB has a built in system for exploiting players to keep salaries low. They could've hired any number of 'draft guru' type guys. It makes no sense.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Of course the Wilpons did all of that to Sandy. They didnt even want him in the first place. MLB foisted Sandy upon the Mets, an organization that moves billions with an "s" dollars in and out every year yet was once forced to borrow $25K from the league to keep its lights on. as many teams do, especially ones with frozen assets.

Because that's so common, it happens almost every day. /rolls eyes



The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Oh my God. I besmirched the good name of Fred Wilpon, who I'm always conflating with Stephen Hawking and Theo Epstein. Ceetar's not gonna have any of this.

[Ceetar]

Fred Wilpon's an asshole, but that's not exactly news, or likely to change, or really matter. A former employee saying nothing about him isn't really noteworthy.



Sure, it's like me having to panhandle, despite owning a 400k house. Or, you know, me having to 10 years ago. You can rant and rave about a loan 10 years ago and rich people always escaping their troubles all you want, but this is ostensibly a Mets forum and there's literally nothing in this non-quote to talk about except as an excuse to roll out your tired old tirades that mean literally nothing about whether or not Syndergaard is going to settle down tonight and have a little more luck than he has most of this season.

[Centerfield]

If you are a fan of this team, and pay attention to everything that goes on in and around the team, and you think ownership has nothing to do with the results on the field, then there is no point in trying to have a productive conversation with you.



A little luck here and Noah's ability to settle down may well affect the result tonight. But luck can't be used to explain away that the Mets have had losing seasons in 9 of 11 years while the Dodgers have rattled off six straight division titles.

[kcmets]

=Centerfield post_id=11438 time=1559150544 user_id=65]So fuck Sandy too. Along with the Wilpons. And Brodie. Fuck them all.

[Johnny Lunchbucket]

=Ceetar post_id=11459 time=1559158577 user_id=102]
Fred Wilpon's an asshole, but that's not exactly news, or likely to change, or really matter. A former employee saying nothing about him isn't really noteworthy.



Sure, it's like me having to panhandle, despite owning a 400k house. Or, you know, me having to 10 years ago. You can rant and rave about a loan 10 years ago and rich people always escaping their troubles all you want, but this is ostensibly a Mets forum and there's literally nothing in this non-quote to talk about except as an excuse to roll out your tired old tirades that mean literally nothing about whether or not Syndergaard is going to settle down tonight and have a little more luck than he has most of this season.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Two first place finishes in 31 seasons.



Wilpons. Wilpons. Uber alles.

[Ceetar]

yes, but he didn't have a reaction. And tweeting, as the author did in a similar vein, is just silly. It's in interesting piece about Beane's and Sandy's relationship and a nice update on a former Mets employee. Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago?



The Mets probably shouldn't have waited for Sandy to come back. They probably shouldn't have tried to have him devote much attention to them while getting healthy either. There's no indication Sandy's upset that he doesn't have a full time job running a baseball team?

[Ceetar]

=Centerfield post_id=11461 time=1559159800 user_id=65]
If you are a fan of this team, and pay attention to everything that goes on in and around the team, and you think ownership has nothing to do with the results on the field, then there is no point in trying to have a productive conversation with you.



A little luck here and Noah's ability to settle down may well affect the result tonight. But luck can't be used to explain away that the Mets have had losing seasons in 9 of 11 years while the Dodgers have rattled off six straight division titles.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=11465 time=1559160792 user_id=102]
Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago?

[Edgy MD]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=11465 time=1559160792 user_id=102]Why can't it just be that without rehashing stuff from ten years ago?

[batmagadanleadoff]

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Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee.

It was $25 million, not thousand.

[Ceetar]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11470 time=1559162383 user_id=68]


BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary

[Edgy MD]

[TABLE][/TABLE] Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee. It was $25 million, not thousand.

BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: [TABLE][/TABLE] Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=11455 time=1559157683 user_id=68]The Mets having to borrow $25K to keep its lights on is the equivalent of you having to panhandle a dollar, pennies at a time, for a diner cup of coffee. It was $25 million, not thousand. BFD. $25M is baseball chump change: it buys barely one week of one minimum wage rookie's prorated entry-level starting salary

None of this has any bearing on anything if we don't work with facts. Please let's try to do that.

[Edgy MD]

One is the truth. One isn't. It's not that elusive a concept.



I don't expect anything will change your narrative.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: One is the truth. One isn't. It's not that elusive a concept. I don't expect anything will change your narrative.

My narrative? Please. And I'm not disputing your number. I'll go with it, whether it's a K or an M or whatever. Whatever you say it is. It doesnt change the story. And its not my story. I didnt invent it. And I didnt ask MLB for a chump change loan, putting MLB on the spot by asking it to break and then ignore it's own rules. What are you saying? That if it was a $25M loan, it was acceptable?

[Edgy MD]

No, it's not whatever I say it is. If you don't care for the facts, that's not on me.



Please don't ask me "What are you saying?" again.

[kcmets]

It's a maddening way to have a conversation sometimes, right? Why ask what

are you saying (in essence re-writing, misinterpreting or spinning) what was just

said?



Gong back to square one, I think batmags misinterpreted Sandy's seven words...

just my two cents.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: No, it's not whatever I say it is. If you don't care for the facts, that's not on me. Please don't ask me "What are you saying?" again.

You're just looking to disagree with me, aren't you? By "whatever you say it is", I'm saying that I agree with you on the numbers. Which should be clear from the rest of the post. But that's not enough for you. Then you throw in that it's my narrative that the Mets had to borrow chump change from MLB. To keep the lights on no less. That's not a disgrace on the Mets. That's biased ol' me shitting on two first place finishes in 31 seasons Mr. Wilpon. My narrative. Oh my. Narrative.



And then the usual idiot piles on and if it's me, he'll pile on even if he has no idea what it is me and you are disagreeing about, which he never does. You think I didnt know beforehand that when I started this thread I'd end up answering three or six nitpicking or absurd posts ? Not only that, but I knew who they'd be from, too.



And I was right on the money.

[Edgy MD]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11492 time=1559183742 user_id=68]You're just looking to disagree with me, aren't you?

[kcmets]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=11492 time=1559183742 user_id=68]And then the usual idiot piles on and if it's me, he'll pile on even if he has no idea what it is me and you are disagreeing about, which he never does.