IGT 5/9/18 - Mets @ Reds - 12:35 First Pitch

[nymr83]

Friend told me Bruce just got skipped? What the fuck is going on here????

[G-Fafif]

Clarification: Bruce was supposed to bat third, which is why Gonzalez, the fifth batter, led off the second. Bruce was apparenlty called out; Cabrera's double stands.

[G-Fafif]

BUT WAIT!

They took Cabrera's double away and mark him 0-for-0 in the first; Bruce is 0-for-1.

[Methead]

I'm watching the rest of this game under protest.

[G-Fafif]

The order apparently starts with Nimmo and Cabrera. Stand by for where Bruce and Flores bat.

[Edgy MD]

Nymr83 wrote: Friend told me Bruce just got skipped? What the fuck is going on here????

He was called out for having a baby.

Hey, fantastic relay throw by the second baseman there. Who are you? Bernard Gilkey?

[Benjamin Grimm]

This is confusing. What was the sequence of events?

This is what MLB's GameDay says:

Brandon Nimmo called out on strikes. 1 out Wilmer Flores strikes out swinging. 2 out Game advisory Jay Bruce batted out of order Jay Bruce grounds out to catcher Tony Cruz. 3 out

The lineup says Nimmo, Flores, Cabrera, Bruce.

So Bruce batted before Cabrera did? And then Cabrera doubled? But if Cabrera incorrectly batted after Bruce, why did he even come to the plate? Bruce's groundout would have been the third out.

[G-Fafif]

Flores bats third. Bruce, presumably, bats fourth...so why was he and not Cabrera out?

Ah, screw it. We have a run.

[Edgy MD]

The lineup was wrong. Bruce never came up. It gets scored a putout for the catcher.

[Frayed Knot]

"THIS WHOLE GAME IS OUT OF ORDER!!"

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[G-Fafif]

G-Fafif wrote: Flores second, Conforto seventh. Worth a try.

No wonder Flores batting second looked so odd. He wasn't supposed to be there.

[Guest 41Forever]

Nimmo makes good things happen.

[Benjamin Grimm]

ESPN explains:

A potential first-inning rally ended prematurely for the New York Mets, who batted out of order Wednesday after a discrepancy in lineup cards. After Wilmer Flores struck out for the second out of the inning, Asdrubal Cabrera reached on a ground-rule double that bounced into the stands in left field. Cincinnati Reds interim manager Jim Riggleman immediately approached plate umpire Gabe Morales with his lineup card. After a brief exchange, Morales ruled Jay Bruce, the next batter in the Mets' lineup, out automatically to end the inning. Cabrera was still credited with a double in the scorebook, while Bruce officially was ruled out as 2-unassisted. In the lineup card posted publicly, Flores was batting second with Cabrera batting third. But in the original lineup card presented to Riggleman, Cabrera was batting second, followed by Flores. According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Brewers were the last team to bat out of order, doing so in the first inning on July 4, 2016 against the Nationals.

So Bruce didn't actually ground out to the catcher. He was called out, and since someone has to get credited with the putout, it was the catcher. GameDay incorrectly interpreted it as a groundout.

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: This is confusing. What was the sequence of events?

Nimmo K'd
Flores K'd
Cabrera doubled ... but that brought Riggleman out of the dugout

The part that is new to me is that apparently the NEXT batter is the one who gets called out, so the second inning starts not with the 4th hitter (Bruce) but the 5th batter (Gonzalez)
To further confuse things, Cabrera's AB is treated as if it never happened meaning he gets credit for neither his double nor even an AB, and yet he doesn't get charged for the out either.

Edited May 9, 2018 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: So Bruce didn't actually ground out to the catcher ...

No, Rosario did that later when it was 2nd & 3rd w/2 outs. This is a team that knows when to time their 10 foot groundouts.

[G-Fafif]

This stuff happens to somebody somewhere every couple of years. It's happened in Mets games in 1967 (to the Pirates), 1977 (to the Mets against the Padres), 1995 (to the Expos) and 2008 (to the Reds). Now 2018 to the Mets.

Or, if you like, ONLY THE METS COULD DO THIS.

[Edgy MD]

Basically, when dudes bat out of order, historically, the opposing manager waits until something bad happens, such as Cabrera's double, before signaling to the umpiring crew.

Personally, I think that's pretty butt. Bruce was batting in the correct spot and he gets scrod. Call it on Flores or don't call it at all.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I wonder aloud if that's the first time the Mets have batted out of order.

(I typed this and hit preview and see G-Fafif is three steps ahead of me)

[Lefty Specialist]

Or the shorter version, lolMets.

[G-Fafif]

Per Retrosheet, June 27, 1967:

The Pirates were playing at Shea Stadium. In the top of the first, they sent six batters to the plate. Maury Wills and Manny Mota both singled and moved up on a wild pitch. Roberto Clemente grounded out, driving in Wills and Donn Clendenon also grounded with Mota remaining at third. After Bill Mazeroski walked, Gene Alley came to the plate and grounded out to the pitcher. Alley batted ahead of Jose Pagan, the proper batter, but since he made an out the Mets said nothing. In the third inning, Mota reached on his second bunt hit of the game and Clemente was called out on strikes. Both Clendenon and Mazeroski singled to left with Mota scoring on the latter's safety. Alley again batted out of turn and hit into a force play at second moving Clendenon to third. After Pagan hit a 2-RBI double, the proper batter, Jim Pagliaroni, was called out. Pagan's plate appearance was eliminated, along with the two runs. The Mets were leading at the time by the final score of 5-2.

[G-Fafif]

April 29, 1977:

In a game in San Diego, the Mets batted out of order through the whole game. The lineup featured Roy Staiger batting sixth, John Stearns seventh and Bud Harrelson eighth. This was a change from recent games when Stearns was sixth and Staiger seventh and the two batted this way four times in a row. In the first inning, Stearns hit into an inning-ending double play. Staiger made an out and Harrelson singled in the second (both batting out of turn). Stearns led off the fourth with a home run but the Padres said nothing. Both Staiger and Harrelson made outs, again out of order. In the fifth, Stearns and Staiger were both out but Harrelson started the sixth by reaching on an infield error. With two out in the seventh, Stearns walked and Staiger singled him to third. However, the Padres finally spoke up and the umpires incorrectly declared Staiger out instead of Harrelson, who led off the eighth inning. Even with all the batting changes, the Mets won the game, 9-2.

[G-Fafif]

May 2, 1995:

The Mets game in Montreal produced a comedy of errors. This was the first home game of the season for Montreal and their sixth overall. There were substitute umpires working major league games to start this season since the regular arbiters were locked out by the owners. When Luis Aquino and Cliff Floyd entered the game in the top of the sixth, the home plate umpire, Don January, incorrectly decided that Aquino was batting fifth and Floyd ninth. When Floyd came to bat in the #5 slot, Mets' manager Dallas Green told January that the Expos were batting out of order. Expos manager Felipe Alou claimed he had Floyd fifth and Aquino ninth and that January made the mistake. Alou was ejected. January then allowed Floyd to bat and ground out, despite knowing that he was not the proper batter. Then January called Aquino out for not batting in order and sent the runner back (that, at least, was the right call.) After calling Aquino out, the next batter should be the one in the sixth spot, Sean Berry. However, January decided that Aquino should bat now. He singled to left and then Berry ended the inning with a ground out. Thus, Aquino had two at bats in one time through the batting order. Despite this confusion the Expos won, 9-6.

[G-Fafif]

May 11, 2008:

In the top of the ninth, after a double switch, the Reds batted out of order when David Ross hit in Corey Patterson's spot. Ross flew out to right and then Mets Manager Willie Randolph told the umpires about the issue. Patterson was called out instead of Ross and Ross batted again and singled. Randolph should have taken the out and kept quiet.

[Guest 41Forever]

I see Rosario's wearing the face shield on his batting helmet now, too. More and more players doing that. I suspect in a year or two it will be mandated, or at least mandated for new players.

[Gwreck]

So, did the umpires’ card actually have Nimmo-Cabrera-Flores-Bruce?

Flores bats out of turn (skipping Cabrera). No appeal, so his turn is legalized and next batter after him on the umpires’ card (Bruce) is supposed to bat.

And since Bruce then doesn’t, he’s the batter called out?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Hey, nice start for Wheeler, who's finally started throwing MOAR FASSBALL. Who knew all it would take would be a half-decade and the stud when he arrived getting DFAed/traded?

[Edgy MD]

That would wake me up.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Walk on a 3-2 change, bunt single... this inning is starting to feel like one of those innings.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

And there's the first run.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Not a good sign that the Mets have to struggle so much to beat a team like the Reds, who have an adjective of "lowly".