This ump stuff is interesting, tho I'm not getting it all. On a side note, is there any way to make it so if I hit send it justs posts, and does not make me stop and read the posts made since I opened the posting box? I can read that stuff after I hit send. Ive looked over the options a few times and can't figure it out. Oh, btw Edge, and those I asked for help in this, I finally figured out how to create a transparent .gif in PSP. There was a tool bar I never had up and didn't realize it was even there. I swear I'm not as stupid as I seem sometimes guys. I swear. Might be close though