Ceetar

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: A "how much would you pay to see Jerry Manuel fired" poll might have been more competitive. I've gone on record saying I'd buy a couple of tickets to the FLA-SD Homestand if they fire Manuel. If they ditch Warthen and Hojo too, I'll splurge on Ceaser's Club seats.

G-Fafif wrote: If I could think of something Manuel is bringing to the table, something in the way of player handling or strategy or anything that I thought might pay off if given a little time or a change of luck, I wouldn't say he should go. Go in peace, Jerry. But go. Well, I heard Wayne talking about how he had Wright and Reyes go out and stand in the box while Pelfrey through a bullpen session yesterday. Supposedly to help Pelfrey focus on a strike zone (This is something Warthen does too, I've got pictures of him standing in the box for Pelfrey. don't know if he does it for all guys, or what), but I don't nkow how much this helps. For Wright and Reyes, this was supposed to get them used to seeing and tracking pitches at almost game speed. Supposedly he got the idea from watching Bonds do it every day when he (don't know which team he was with at the time) would go to Candlestick for a three games series against the Giants. This seems like a cool idea, and maybe it'd even help. That patience drill he did with Frenchy in spring may have helped too, but it always seems like Manuel's trying out too many gimmicks, mainly reactionary, and that it's a cover for not really having any answers. Either way, these aren't exactly representing any insight from Manuel, and are things that can be done without him.

I think I've almost become infamous for how I feel about Manuel. I would've fired him after '08, after May of '09, after '09, two weeks ago, and Monday. But hey, when they fired Willie, I really felt like the team needed a fresh voice, not just the voice that happened to be there already just maybe not as vocal.

Swan Swan H wrote: I can't see how guys like Murphy and Pagan can like him. What does that mean? Why those two guys? And what insight are you using to make such a determination? I'm going back the entire history of Jerry's tenure, but Murphy seemed so jerked around to me by the Manuel (and the Mets, who knows who was really responsible) but asked a (Basically) rookie to go to winterball and play 2B (after calling up the mainly 3Bman to play LF in the majors) before bringing him to Spring Training to play LF and then as he's learning that have him start learning 1B, and before he even gets 20 minutes at that, actually put him at 1B while criticizing his LF skills openly. Toss him between regular play and platoon play seemingly at whim, sit him after a couple of good games, and bat him in a different place in the order every day. That's the things I look at when I feel that Manuel makes decisions based on personal preference rather than what's best for the team. My thing with Pagan is that here's a guy that's played great for the Mets, played hard, batted .300 with the Mets in his careeer (just shy of a full seasons worth of games) and Manuel still decided to give Gary Matthews Jr a shot for the first week of the season. And it was only because Matthews was (and is) so mindnumblingly awful that got him to change his mind.

Can one of the Mets horses please catch fire now?

Wright sits, Davis cleanup. Reyes SS. Castillo 2B. Bay LF. Davis 1B. Pagan CF. Francoeur RF. Tatis 3B. Blanco C. Dickey P

MFS62 wrote: There have been a lot of negatives mentioned in this and other threads about Jerry. So, I have to ask, what positives does Jerry bring to the table as manager? I'll start with: -History of being a winning manager. (ChiSox and here) -Media relations, and some quick quips. -Since I don't know what goes on behind closed doors, a calm clubhouse, with everyone on the same page and getting along well. (There have been no Hanleyesque comments by players.) What else? And do you feel those positives are enough so you would want to retain him as manager? Later Winning managers are really a factor of their players, not their own ability. And he's not a winning manager with the Mets. I've heard some (Rich Coutino) say they've grown tired of Manuel's constant say one thing, do another, but in general, I agree that he gives good quotes and talks to the media, but that's not a reason to keep him for the Mets (for the Post maybe..) I actually think he's a negative in the clubhouse. I think he's too calm, too chatty, and not focused or disciplined enough to control what needs to be controled. It helps when you get guys you dislike out (Castro, Church) but I can't see how guys like Murphy and Pagan can like him. Reyes, while maybe respecting him, still disagrees with him quite a bit and isn't afraid to show it (sacrificing for a hit instead of just sacrificing, way back in the first game when he tried torefuse to come out) I find very little redeemable about Jerry. Maybe the willingness to do things a little differently, but often time his different is just stupid.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Every run-expectancy matrix* I've ever seen shows higher expected-runs numbers (and therefore, higher run-expectancy, if you're looking forward) to a no outs/man-on-second (1.17-1.20) situation than a one-out/man-on-third one (.97-.98). I mean, the odds are pretty damn good either way, but all else being equal, not giving up the out is usually the smart way to go. *Compiled backward from actual results, per year. So, this juice is made from actual-- not theoretical-- fruit. True, but those matrix don't usually take into account who's hitting next. Probably a strong positive for bunting if you've a guy like Barajas coming up, but if it's Wright, maybe not so much. Even so (As batmagadanleadoff apparently just clarified) wouldn't not-bunting always tend to give you more total runs? because it's not a safe bet to always assume 1 is enough, which is what the goal was there.

Maybe there are statistics that bear it out, but I'd still rather take my chances to let Carter, Wright, and Ike have a chance to get a hit and score the run than take 1 chance at a sac-fly with David striking out so much and Wagner being a strikeout guy + 1 chance for a left-handed rookie who has never faced him before to get a hit. It just seems that Manuel needs to sit back, and let his players win or lose the game. Maybe their is something to the idea that if you spend so much of your time asking your players to make intentional outs (sac flies, bunts), then they tend to make outs. That's really completely silly, but I just don't like the intentional out, and I think even with the runner on third with less than 2 outs (as has been a problem for years) the Mets should really ignore trying to do anything than get a hit. Stop trying to do something specific with the ball and just hit it.

Rubin's the fourth guy in my twitter feed with the lineup. And that's not counting the email directly from the Mets with it.

well, per the New York Mets anyway, I don't know why the beat reporters still retweet the lineup. the lineup just makes my head hurt though.

Thought you meant when they brought him in to start the 8th. I was surprised they let him face the hitter there. Especially him not being a strikeout guy, but once he did that i felt he should've finished the inning.

Gwreck wrote: Edgy DC wrote: blogosphere I vote to ban this word. I don't have a real problem with the word, but it does generally seem to have a negative connotation to it. Seems like the Mets did actually have a plan with Mejia though. Willing to try things, didn't meet expectations or whatever, so starting it is.

Edgy DC wrote: I can't see how a COO joining a team on the road is bad symbolism unless you want it to be. It just seems like it because it's only reported when it fits a storyline, like now. It's more the symbolism of him doing it unscheduled, right after Omar did the same.

Swan Swan H wrote: Ceetar wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Brian Costa Ledger_NYMets Manuel walks out of office, looks at reporters and cracks, "I got a uniform on, don't I?" Didn't answer the question, and was fetching Warthen. Maybe they're all gone, but not until after the game. Have you contacted the caterer for your "Jerry is fired'' party yet? 718-507-TIXX. I'm sitting in section 508 row...6 I think Friday. All set to cheer hard for the new manager.

G-Fafif wrote: Unless he's bringing with him two pink slips and a FOR SALE sign, what purpose does a Jeff Wilpon visit with the manager and general manager serve? Besides reminding us the franchise is in such outstanding hands, I mean? Indeed. And it doesn't quite paint a picture of autonomy. "Uh oh, Omar might make a decision! I better get down there!"

bmfc1 wrote: Brian Costa Ledger_NYMets Manuel walks out of office, looks at reporters and cracks, "I got a uniform on, don't I?" Didn't answer the question, and was fetching Warthen. Maybe they're all gone, but not until after the game.

you can't really put Pagan for Matthews aside. No reason to sit Pagan or play Matthews. Not sure Bay's 0-13 should be hitting third or Carter, a guy who couldn't make the team out of Spring, fourth). Matthews is 3-17 against Lowe, if you were curious. Although that might be higher than his average this season..

we haven't release Gary matthews jr yet?