John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm not out to catch anyone, I don't think it ought to affect his perceived greatness or whatever, and wouldn't base any suspicions on bacne but if Piazza wasn't using I'd be shocked. The friggin guy hit opposite field line drives over the fence off his fists with regularity, was a historically great offensive performer in an era of great offensive performers and widespread, legal PED use. I mean, duh. yeah, but that's a different argument. Everyone was using (and the tone of those arguments by former players sounding all sanctimonious about it like players chatting about what other players took. If they did, it wasn't in a condescending manner it was in a "how do I get some of that?" manner) I don't know if 'shocked' would be the right work, but yeah I guess I'd be more surprised if guys like Piazza and Jeter and Rivera and Benitez and Hampton and pretty much anyone that was playing in the late 90s wasn't using than if they were. But in terms of trying to get into voters heads about what constitutes 'suspected' juicer? Does Pearlman and Chass count? And not only does it count, but does degree matter? Do they induct Piazza because he's clearly not Clemens and Bonds? Or is that why Bagwell gets in next year?