Ceetar

yeah, I think the Mets really need (at least) one more talented hitter. As it is now, when one of them slumps or struggles to make adjustments the whole offense goes missing. Of course, they're playing the no-hit den Dekker and Flores a lot now. With valid arguments, but still.

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: also, fuck the NFL. It's a league about gambling and an excuse to sit on the couch every Sunday and drink beer. I love football season, and sometimes I sit on a chair!! oh, I don't really mind that aspect of it, though I find myself busy on Sundays and don't care enough to schedule around it but I need a week recovery time before I even think about it again.

also, fuck the NFL. It's a league about gambling and an excuse to sit on the couch every Sunday and drink beer. If the NFL decided it was going to be a lacrosse league and marketed it the same way they'd probably get the same fervor. (Different rant here, but NBA really should force-feed the WNBA to it's fans. would be a great idea)

eh, one man's flaw is another one's narrative. I think that inherent luck is part of what makes us all romantic about baseball. It's possible to root and cheer for the "bad players" and still have them succeed. The MLB version of Tim Tebow could luck into a season where he hits .300 and his incoherent supporters could scream for years as he's relegated to bench time and "will he return to his glory year" and all that. Hell, look at Justin Turner this year. Generally not a very good player, but sorta fun-loving and endears himself to fans. He's one of those guys that adds some kind of excitement outside of the strictly performance based excitement. This year he's having a very good year and it's fun. You get Todd Pratt hitting series winning home runs, pitcher's making one bad pitch that gets away in game 163 to advance to the playoffs, a slow-roller that's mishandled but might have been a hit anyway that's talked about and debated endlessly for nearly 30 years even in non-sports ways sometimes. That's why I happen to love the playoffs the way they are. (And granted, I barely remember non Wild Card play, so there is no nostalgia here) You've got two sudden death games at the end of the season that feature all the luck and bad bounces and moment by moment stress that makes baseball so great. Yes, it's completely not fair to either team, but they could've won the division. That's the point. The 'best teams' over the 162 large sample get the safety net. Honestly I think less people would have a problem with it if they stopped referring to it as two playoff teams and instead called it a "play-in" round or something. I wonder how the game would do if it was played in a 'neutral' field? Say they decided where each game would be played prior to the season, worst record in the league or something, and sold tickets to it like game 163. (hey look, revenue for the team that finished last, an exciting game, etc. revenue sharing?) I know I'd have been intrigued to buy a ticket to that game if it was at Citi Field. It also gives the fans of a team that's sorta waiting around a taste of meaningful baseball, helps keep the more casual fan from checking out for good? It might be fun. Hell, it might help the regionalness (which isn't a problem) too. If I watched say the Pirates beat the Giants to advance, I might have a little more vested interest in watching the Pirates play in the playoffs. I'd get to know the players from that game. It's sort of a last stop of the bandwagon to the playoffs, but hell, why not?

Ashie62 wrote: Anybody want Granderson??? a lot of people I'd imagine. But on the other hand, there are other guys out there to get under your own contract terms too.

Edgy MD wrote: I think his statements and behavior have demonstrably shown he was pushing to set a recovery record and that he has been publicly disappointed with the team for not allowing him to try. And that's why, a bunch posts ago, Centerfield wrote what many of us were thinking, that poor Hef should be taken as an object lesson by Harvey. It's obvious. And I disagree that it's demonstrable. "Of course, I won't do it unless I'm cleared to do it," he said I realize I don't need to do that now. My fastball is going to be there. My slider is going to be there. I don't need to throw it with max effort in between starts to keep it." The biggest thing is being healthy and not having any setbacks.� �The last thing you want to do is jeopardize your career or 2015, but I think everyone is doing their best to figure what the right time is,� I�m hoping the process keeps going smoothly, and you never know what can happen. And his motivation seems pretty clear too. He wants to rehab to the point that he's done with rehab. I don't want to go through all this work and wonder all winter where I am.

metsmarathon wrote: Ceetar wrote: So there's no need to alter his rehab schedule because the caution that should be inherent in pitcher rehab is not better or worse or even more understood based on what Hefner experienced. no, and that wasn't the point. the point is for harvey to be able to better understand the need for caution as a result of what his teammate just experienced. the point is not that hefners injury should cause hte mets' medical people reevaluating their delings with harevy, but rather for harvey to recalibrate his own goals and preferred timetable and demands and expectations based on the knowledge of what can happen. Come on. You don't think Harvey is aware of that?

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: But simply caution cause guys get hurt pitching is silly. That level of caution should have already been built into Harvey's rehab schedule. It has been, and he's taken several opportunities to push back against that schedule and that plan, publicly and vocally. That's the point. Ceetar wrote: Right, he's been fairly closely monitored, and while it's certainly possible he might try to push farther, haven't seen any signs of it. Then I would beg you to look harder. He's been pushing repeatedly all season. I meant actually, on the mound, push harder. i.e. "I'm only authorized to throw 30 pitches but that guy just distracted the trainer so i'm gonna throw 35." There's nothing wrong with him saying he feels fine and can pitch and wants to try to do so. He's revised his goals multiple times this season, having been pushed back. Everyone heals at different rates and there's no reason not to push for September 15th if your body responds just because the average body isn't ready to pitch until October first.

metsmarathon wrote: yes, you want to build him up to 100 pitches, not to 60 pitches. but you build him up to 100 pitched in 10 steps, not 6 steps to accelerate the timeline. ideally the rehab schedule has those 10 steps built in, and while the doctors and trainers and therapists are there to implement the rehab plan, it is ulitmately up to the athlete to execute the rehab regimen, and ultimately up to him to follow the plan and stick to it, pushing only so far as is necessary to progress to the next planned step, not to jump ahead and push too hard and throw the whole damned plan away. you want the athlete to push himself, but also to control himself, and to understand most of all, that reinjuring the ligament because of impatience benefits noone. Right, he's been fairly closely monitored, and while it's certainly possible he might try to push farther, haven't seen any signs of it. So there's no need to alter his rehab schedule because the caution that should be inherent in pitcher rehab is not better or worse or even more understood based on what Hefner experienced.

What if said caution means his arm is weaker the next time he pushes it and that leads to strain? To build up to 100 pitches and 'healthy' you need to push yourself. Certainly monitor it, do health checks, compare soreness to previous sessions. If Harvey says "felt the soreness more in my forearm that time" and that seems to compare to what Hefner's rehab notes say, then certainly think about a few extra days of caution. But simply caution cause guys get hurt pitching is silly. That level of caution should have already been built into Harvey's rehab schedule. I suspect a lot of this has to do with goal visualization anyway. Perhaps there is a difference, mentally, in rehabbing cause you're hurt, and rehabbing to get back into a game. Aiming for "Opening Day starter 2015" is too far out and not Harvey's decision anyway, so he's aiming for 'pitch again'. He doesn't want to be banished to some 9-5 exercise routine in the backwaters of Florida for 16 months. I get that.

Centerfield wrote: Wait, for real? You needed someone to explain to you the connection between Harvey and Hefner? Yes. What about Hefner's medical condition makes Harvey MORE likely to blow out his elbow again if he pushes hard in rehab than if he takes it easy?

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Or they could make their medical decisions based on, y'know, what the medical people think rather than on where the team currently sits in the standings. but then what would be complain about? That they, who got their medical knowledge via watching reruns of 'House' and/or 'Gray's Anatomy', know better than the actual doctors who, y'know, examined the actual patient. come now, I watch Gray's Anatomy 'live', not reruns.

Frayed Knot wrote: Or they could make their medical decisions based on, y'know, what the medical people think rather than on where the team currently sits in the standings. but then what would be complain about?

Was in The Crazy Ones tv show last year. Watched the first couple of episodes and enjoyed it but it fell off my DVR due to timing.

Edgy MD wrote: Ceetar wrote: I mean, what's Harvey supposed to try, not pitching? Not being an impatient and petulant child picking public fights with the team for keeping him down. He could try that. I'm pretty sure if he's doing that (which I don't believe) it's not hurting his elbow.

Hefner's sample in the grand scheme of "successfully rehabbed Tommy John surgeries" is such a fraction of a percentage that it's not altering nuttin'. Unless he specifically emphasizes that "Hey, it really hurt when I did X" there's really not a whole lot to move the numbers. Especially since he'd already progressed to pitching. I mean, what's Harvey supposed to try, not pitching? Of course a failure informs your thinking for other rehab procedures, we're always learning more. But pitching is tough on the arm, and we know this already. You could try more rest, less effort, all sorts of things, and it could still fail. There's certainly value in rest and recovery, but that same value is in getting to a point and shutting down for the winter versus a slower build up before shutting down for a shorter time. It's not like Hefner was doing something radically new that we could point to and say "well, scrap that, it might not be working"

Centerfield wrote: Dear Matt, This is what I was fucking talking about. Slow the fuck down. Love, Sandy yes, but Harvey is not Hefner. Obviously he should be cautious, but dictating one's rehab based on how some other guy's arm feels is worthless.

it appears the Mets have played 3 more games than the Nats as well. So couple a big series here with a less hectic schedule.

Edgy MD wrote: Well, I'd be surprised if delaying treatment on a hernia became a career-threatening injury. I myself am living with a hernia. (All the time, such aggravation.) and you probably wouldn't have gotten the Phillies out either.

Nymr83 wrote: Ceetar wrote: I'm probably done for the year, and all without ever trying the Cider stand. where?? Near the world's fare market on the field level in the right field corner

I'm probably done for the year, and all without ever trying the Cider stand.

my money's on Syndergaaaaaaaaaard.

why do i keep having to say this? If you're celebrating and laughing at how little Bartolo Colon cares about batting and how funny he looks doing it, you're basically saying "All-DH'

Curtis Granderson - RF Daniel Murphy - 2B David Wright - 3B Lucas Duda - 1B Travis d'Arnaud - C Kirk Nieuwenhuis - LF Juan Lagares - CF Wilmer Flores - SS Bartolo Colon - RHP

whoevers tracking these things 1-0 as a father. if we sweep, im buyinh her a baby broom