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Beltran 2Floyd 2Wright 1Piazza 1Benson 1Santiago 1Padilla 2

Glavine 6Reyes 2Wright 1Woodward 1Ugly. Ugly. Ugly.

Trade Looper, trade Bert, trade Ishii, trade Cameron, trade everybody. 2006, anyone?

We're alive, but this team is dead to me.

Welcome indeed, mt8.DO IT, Omar.

He was named after the "Make 7... Up Yours" guy. Those were great commercials!

That would, of course, be the great Phillies pitcher, Steve Heartlegarmhead.

DAMMIT Mets, can you score some frigging runs?This is it, tonight. Might as well call it a season. Please don't do anything stupid, Omar.

Welcome to the Pool, MetsGuy.

If it were up to me, I'd say "Hey, Theo. You want to dump Manny's salary? We'll pay the whole thing... as long as you take Kaz Ishii and/or Tom Glavine off our books."But Theo doesn't return my calls.

I thought you were trying to imply that because Sid Fernandez held batters to a lower BA than Pedro, and Sid's not a HoFer, that Pedro's some kind of schlemiel with gaudy stats and goofy hair and nothing else.As far as career BAA, I don't know, but look at this list:Career H/9 IP (min 1000 IP)1. Nolan Ryan 6.5552. Sandy Koufax 6.7923. Pedro Martinez 6.8444. Sid Fernandez 6.8515. J.R. Richard 6.8766. Andy Messersmith 6.9377. Kerry Wood 6.9388. Randy Johnson 6.9809. Hoyt Wilhelm 7.01410. Sam McDowell 7.034

Edgy, are you trying to say that Pedro's not a HoFer right now, if he retired today?

Jerkass.

I'm not worried about the money. Put Manny's bat in the middle of the lineup and let him hit; he'll sell enough tickets and enough shirts and jerseys to earn his keep. He's only 33, he's from NYC, and he's a MASHER. Hell, I'd just claim him on waivers and eat the money.I don't think salary is a huge issue for this club. They only have three more seasons at Shea, and as the end gets nearer, they're going to be selling a LOT of tickets. That will offset the salary increase.DO IT, Omar.

Steve Phillips is a crackhead. Don't get me started.However, I would deal Floyd, Roberto Hernandez, and a prospect (Milledge?) for Manny straight up.

Welcome to the (first annual?) CPF "Put 'Em In Cooperstown" Thread. Please vote on the following list of players... put reasons if you'd like, but just keep the players in the same order for easy tabulation. (Maybe this will work, maybe it won't. We'll see how it goes.)Any player receiving 75% of the CPF vote will be enshrined in the CPFPEIC Mini-Hall Of Fame. Please vote on the active players if their careers ended THIS SEASON. Don't vote on the future, just vote on the now. Here's the list:HOF ELIGIBLE BATTERSJim� RiceDon� MattinglySteve� GarveyDave� ParkerTed� SimmonsAlan� TrammellAndre� DawsonDale� MurphyTony� OlivaLance� ParrishDave� ConcepcionDick� AllenMaury� WillsJoe� TorreLou� WhitakerJoe� CarterRon� SantoKeith� HernandezGil� HodgesHOF ELIGIBLE PITCHERSLee� SmithJim� KaatRich� GossageJack� MorrisBert� BlylevenTommy� JohnRon� GuidryBruce� SutterNOT YET ELIGIBLE HOF BATTERSBarry� BondsTony� GwynnCal� RipkenAlex� RodriguezKen� GriffeyRoberto� AlomarSammy� SosaRickey� HendersonIvan� RodriguezFrank� ThomasMark� McGwireMike� PiazzaRafael� PalmeiroManny� RamirezTodd� HeltonJeff� BagwellLarry� WalkerBernie� WilliamsAlbert� BelleDerek� JeterEdgar� MartinezCraig� BiggioChipper� JonesGary� SheffieldJuan� GonzalezBarry� LarkinNomar� GarciaparraJim� ThomeAndres� GalarragaIchiro� SuzukiOmar� VizquelJose� CansecoFred� McGriffBenito� SantiagoTim� RainesJeff� KentNOT YET ELIGIBLE HOF PITCHERSRoger� ClemensRandy� JohnsonGreg� MadduxPedro� MartinezTom� GlavineCurt� SchillingMariano� RiveraJohn� SmoltzJohn� FrancoDavid� ConeMike� MussinaTrevor� HoffmanKevin� BrownJohn� WettelandRobb� NenOrel� Hershiseredit: removed Vlad and Pujols (not yet eligible)

How can you say what you did about Manny Ramirez (the greatest hitter of his era) and not include Jim Rice? Jim Rice is a definite YES.Other than that:Hodges NO - not enough, for the same reasons that Joe Torre would not have gotten in if he'd only won one WS with the MFYSGossage NO - intimidating, yes, but not outstandingGwynn YES - the best pure hitter of his generation - I know they were singles, but he was as big a star as there was during his eraPedro Martinez YES - three Cy Youngs, a career ERA+ of 167, a solid postseason record, etc.Smoltz/Glavine YES/YES - hard to leave these guys out with their success in ATLJim Kaat NO - Kaat and Glavine are different pitchers; yes, Kaat pitched a long time, but he never won anythingGriffey YES - Can't say yes to Palmiero and no to Griffey. Same kinds of reasons as Pedro... he changed the game in his prime.A-Rod NO - nobody younger than 30 gets a vote from me.Larry Walker NO - Walker's in and Rice isn't?!?! Hells no.Bagwell NO - but I could be swayed.Biggio/Alomar/Kent YES/YES/NO - Biggio and Alomar are definites, but Kent... bleh.Thomas NO - see Bagwell.

Martinez 6Cairo 2Floyd 1Reyes 1

AAAAAAAAA! Scary!

MFS62 wrote:Interesting that Tom Gordon has so many strikeouts, since he has been mostly a reliever during his career.Actually, Flash has started 203 of his 671 games entering 2005. Except for 1992, in every year between 1989 and 1997, he made at least 14 starts and threw at least 155 innings. Four times (1990, 1994, 1995, 1996) he didn't make any relief appearances at all.

From BP.com:]Thursday, July 28, 2:35 p.m. ET: ESPN 103.3 in Dallas was reporting this morning that Alfonso Soriano had been dealt for Mike Cameron and Lastings Milledge. As yet, there's been no additional confirmation, so I don't think this deal is as close as our friends in Dallas think it is. With that said, it does appear that there's fire behind this smoke. Tom Hicks may have said he doesn't want to trade Soriano, but I think the billionaire would be willing to make a deal he didn't want if it made sense. The Rangers are also stalled on Sidney Ponson. Apparently, Baltimore doesn't want to absorb nearly as much salary as Texas would like them to do. Larry Lucchino confirmed that Manny Ramirez did ask to be traded. According to reader M.D. "it's an annual event. Like Bastille Day." Ramirez will not be traded now, of course, but the Mets covet the slugger openly and if the Red Sox put Ramirez back on waivers, they'll claim him. The Brewers are in the top 10 of team WXRL. After designating Ricky Bottalico for assignment, that means their bullpen is down to just one player who makes more than the league minimum. It's funny that both New York teams, with bullpens costing ten times as much and performing considerably worse, will consider adding a guy like Bottalico. Doug Melvin is underrated. If Manny's available, you go get him. THE END.

FWIW, the next two guys to join the 3000 K Club:Pedro Martinez - 2800 K - 44 CGCurt Schilling - 2776 K - 82 CGPedro is far and a way the low man on the CG totem pole.

They link to a photo this week of Phil Rizzuto doing the gum-on-the-hat thing, but it's not a big honkin' piece, just a little white one.

Uni Watch is back, featuring more Mets tidbits:How hard can it be to get everyone on a team to wear the same undershirt color? Plenty hard, apparently, if you're the Mets, who are supposed to wear blue sleeves when donning their blue caps and black sleeves the rest of the time. But nobody bothers to enforce those rules, so you end up with games like last Saturday, in which the team's sleeves were, depending on who you looked at, [url=http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/NYJJ10707232251.jpeg]blue[/url], [url=http://espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/050728_looper.jpg]black[/url], or [url=http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/NYJJ10307232124.jpeg]orange[/url] (the latter of which isn't even one of the team's authorized undershirt colors but gained unofficial currency over the past dozen years because of John Franco).(Side note: the "orange" photo, above, is definitely one of the best Pedro photos out there, so Uni Watch gets bonus points for the link. I believe Edgy posted it here somewhere last week when it was taken.)edit: Also interesting:Matt Schudel points out that the question of whether the Nationals will honor the Expos' retired numbers has been answered, in the negative: Newly acquired Mike Stanton is wearing No. 30, which the 'Spos retired last year for Tim Raines.

I'd like Aubrey Huff. (Hell, I've been trying all season to deal for him in my fantasy league, but his owner won't budge.)He's having an off year, but he's 28 years old, and look at these season-average numbers:Seasonal Averages (per 162 games played)