metsmarathon

steady eddie notched a meager 2.6 WAR in his career as a metly hitter, spanning 1284 plate appearances. mookie wilson notched 20.7 WAR in his metly career, but required over 4000 plate appearances. 1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA 2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA 3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA 4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA 5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA 6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA 7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA 8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA 9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA 10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA 11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA 12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA 13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA 14. 15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA not in the top 15 dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA mookie wilson #21 2.88 WAR/600 PA howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA eddie murray (unranked) 1.21 WAR/600 PA rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

stearns and pagan are both on the list. leaving only mister mysterious top metly hitter #14 reamining. 1. lenny dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA 2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA 3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA 4. lance johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA 5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA 6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA 7. keith hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA 8. edgardo alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA 9. angel pagan 3.94 WAR/600 PA 10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA 11. john stearns 3.78 WAR/600 PA 12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA 13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA 14. 15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA not in the top 15 dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

catching up some more... sorry for going dark over the weekend. david cone - surprisingly, no jesse orosco - yup! r.a. dickey - who needs ligaments, amirite? gooden - if only... saberhagen - was so much better than history remembers him koosman - longevity tends to work against getting on this list matlack - a good guess, but no el sid fernandez - el nope bobby ojeda - not even close 1. matt harvey 7.27 WAR/250 IP 2. armando benitez 7.06 WAR/250 IP 3. 4. tom seaver 6.25 WAR/250 IP 5. brett saberhagen 5.53 WAR/250 IP 6. mike hampton 5.41 WAR/250 IP 7. 8. r.a. dickey 5.23 WAR/250 IP 9. 10. jesse orosco 5.12 WAR/250 IP not in top 10: randy myers: #11, 5.10 WAR/250 IP dwight gooden: #13 4.79 WAR/250 IP rick reed: #14, 4.64 WAR/250 IP john matlack: #15 4.59 WAR/250 IP sid fernandez: #18 4.37 WAR/250 IP pedro martinez: #20, 4.16 WAR/250 IP david cone: #23 4.03 WAR/250 IP jerry koosman: #26 3.88 WAR/250 IP bobby ojeda: #33 3.17 WAR/250 IP roger mcdowell: #43, 2.30 WAR/250 IP

so, um, yeah... where was i... cleon jones. had three really good years. and a bunch of not good years. nope. lance johnson - i was surprised to see his name on the list. not as much as one or two other players. but he did well in his one and a half metly seasons. dave magadan - figured he'd get named sooner. not on the list, but close. robin ventura - close, but no cigar. keith hernandez - now you're talking! lenny dykstra - nailed it! kevin mcreynolds - no, but not terrible edgardo alfonzo (i think) - thumbs up! moises alou - like cameron but better, rate-wise. his 2.3 career metly WAR don't get him near the top 50. still, not top-10 caliber. rey ordonez - [snicker] so where do we stand? 1. lenny freaking dykstra 5.18 WAR/600 PA 2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA 3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA 4. lance freaking johnson 5.10 WAR/600 PA 5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA 6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA 7. keith freaking hernandez 4.32 WAR/600 PA 8. edgardo freakig alfonzo 3.98 WAR/600 PA 9. 10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA ok, i'm going to mix things up a bit, because while i think #9 is going to take a while to guess, i'm curious to see just how long you guys take to guess out the top 15 WARingest metly hitters. 11. 12. mike piazza 3.70 WAR/600 PA 13. robin ventura 3.69 WAR/600 PA 14. 15. jose reyes 3.43 WAR/600 PA not in the top [crossout:3kd6bs18]10[/crossout:3kd6bs18]15 dave magadan #16 3.38 WAR/600 PA kevin mcreynolds #20 2.93 WAR/600 PA howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA cleon jones #34 2.33 WAR/600 PA carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA moises alou (unranked) 3.33 WAR/600 PA mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA rey ordonez (unranked) 0.15 WAR/600 PA

time to catch up: hojo, no. gilkey... yes! beltran... good god, of course! reyes? rey-no! delgado? oh, oh no. cameron? come on now. he actually didin't have enough career WAR to make hte list, at 4.2, but would've been around #23rd kent... kryptonite. and finally, mike pizza. of course not. did you really forget how bad his last two met seasons were? in his last two seasons, he had almost 900 plate appearances, and put up only 0.2 WAR total. toss those aside though, and he's ahead of strawberry. 1. 2. beltran 5.12 WAR/600 PA 3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA 4. 5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA 6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA 7. 8. 9. 10. bernard gilkey 3.91 WAR/600 PA not in top 10: mike piazza #12 3.70 WAR/600 PA jose reyes #15 3.43 WAR/600 PA howard johnson #22 2.86 WAR/600 PA jeff kent #30 2.53 WAR/600 PA carlos delgado #47 1.42 WAR/600 PA mike cameron (unranked) 2.79 WAR/600PA

rick reed. so close. #14, 4.64 WAR/250 IP dolphin face, on the other hand, makes the cut, despite fewer innings than harvey. 1. matt harvey 7.27 WAR/250 IP 2. armando benitez 7.06 WAR/250 IP 3. 4. tom seaver 6.25 WAR/250 IP 5. 6. mike hampton 5.41 WAR/250 IP 7. 8. 9. 10.

randy myers just misses. #11, 5.10 WAR/250 IP pedro martinez misses by a little more. #20, 4.16 WAR/250 IP tom seaver? now you're talking! 1. matt harvey 7.27 WAR/250 IP 2. armando benitez 7.06 WAR/250 IP 3. 4. tom seaver 6.25 WAR/250 IP 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. incorrect answers: randy myers: #11, 5.10 WAR/250 IP pedro martinez: #20, 4.16 WAR/250 IP definitely not roger mcdowell, not that anyone would even think of suggesting him as an answer: #43, 2.30 WAR/250 IP

cross-posting about roger mcdowell not meriting a spot on the top 50 mets pitchers on a WAR/250 IP basis. cool. armando benitez is of course eligible for consideration, as he has a total of 9.8 WAR, far in excess of roger mcdowell's meager sum. he's our #2. which is perhaps oddly fitting, depending upon how you view his tenure. 1. matt harvey 7.27 WAR/250 IP 2. armando benitez 7.06 WAR/250 IP 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. [u:q1xjs9rt]incorrect answers:[/u:q1xjs9rt] definitely not roger mcdowell, not that anyone would even think of suggesting him as an answer: #43, 2.30 WAR/250 IP

minimum 4.3 metly-career WAR, because ol' roger mcdowell is the met pitcher with the 50th highest WAR total, at a meager 4.3 WAR. mcdowell is at 2.30 WAR/250IP, good for 43rd on the list. so don't use him, okay, he's not a right answer. matt harvery, on the other hand, is already up to 6.7 WAR, in a meager 237 innings. that's a 7.27 WAR/250IP right there, tops on our list. 1. matt harvey 7.27 WAR/250 IP 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.

olerud and strawberry are on the list. 1. 2. 3. john olerud 5.11 WAR/600 PA 4. 5. darryl strawberry 4.81 WAR/600 PA 6. david wright 4.70 WAR/600 PA 7. 8. 9. 10.

corresponding to my other quiz, i just pulled the list of the metly pitchers with the top 50 WARs for their metly career, according to baseball reference. i then ranked those top 50 according to WAR per 250 innings pitched, as reported again by baseball reference. some obvious names will be in the list, but some not so obvious names may sneak in as well. so, who is in the top ten? 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.

i just pulled the list of the metly hitters with the top 50 WARs for their metly career, according to baseball reference. i then ranked those top 50 according to WAR per 600 plate appearances, as reported again by baseball reference. david wright is #6 on the list. one at a time, lets see if you can name the other 9 in the top ten. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. david wright 7. 8. 9. 10.

right now, according to fangraphs, wright has about 50 WAR for his career. in about the same number of metly seasons, seaver had about 73 WAR. for wright to rightfully take the title of greatest met, he'd have to not only surpass that 73 career WAR, but pass it by enough to put to rest any quality vs quantity arguments. wright would have to vault himself into the pantheon of historical third basemen, in other words, to have a chance. to put a mark on the wall, i'd say he'd probably have to be chipper jones for his metly career to even have a chance at making it a discussion. and even then, it's probably only a discussion. while wright is the warringest metly hitter, by about 10 WAR per bbref (switching formats for ease of data accesibility), if you look at WAR/600 PA, david wright has been the 6th most productive met. i'd tell you who the other top ten are, but this smells like a quiz in the making. ooh, i checked hte top WAR/250 IP metly pitchers. another quiz! shocking results!

Mex17 wrote: markakis is a minus-defender, who last year played at replacement level, and is owed $15M next year. before then, he's mostly a 1.5-2 win player, and is a long time removed from his 6-win 2008 campaign. if it costs more than ike, it costs too much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_markakis I'm reading Gold Glove, leader in outfield assists, and leader in OF fielding percentage. I don't know in what sabermetric criss-cross logic world that equates to "minus defender". Probably the same one that came up with this "replacement level" crap that I now cannot get away from. it is, afterall possible to have a good arm, and catch the balls that are hit to you, and not be very good at getting to a lot of balls. nick markakis has a good arm, a good glove (in that few balls clank off of it), and has poor range.

markakis is a minus-defender, who last year played at replacement level, and is owed $15M next year. before then, he's mostly a 1.5-2 win player, and is a long time removed from his 6-win 2008 campaign. if it costs more than ike, it costs too much.

i wouldn't mind ellsbury, although it depends seriously on the price.

i suppose one thing the mets are way out in front of is setting aside prominent stadium real estate for, and erecting statues in honor of, players who never played for that team. go ahead. name another team doing it. those metsies. always leading.

its not nothing, but they did bring back banner day. i don't know if any other teams out there really do that. and while the wilpon regime sure didn'y come up with it, and may have put the kibosh on it, they must get some inkling of a leadership credit for bringing it back when nobody else currently offers such a thing. also, i'm not sure how many other teams do "kids run the bases" promotions. i'm sure they all must (and certainly should), but i ain't looked into it. so i'll tentatively give them a whisper of a credit for that one. what innovative things do other teams do that the mets could jump onto and be on the leading edge of a trend instead of hopping onto the bandwagon as everybody is getting off of it? i really don't know... quick, somebody say the 'knocking down a fairly new and perfectly adequate stadium to move to some other place nearby that serves the same city" trend!

you and your high standards...

realizing it would be an escape from the team's colors, but what would work a hell of a lot better on a digital camo uniform would be if the team name were piped in matte black, with tan/olive fill, matching the actual uniforms on our soldiers. have the only color be the colors of the flag. and probably the manufacturers logo because they can't help themselves... it wouldn't solve the gi-joeing of the game, but it would help the aesthetic a ton. also, ugh, god, no mascot races. unless everybody is going to dres up in jay horowitz mascot costumes, i don't want to see it. we don't need giant costumed skyscrapers, or giant costumed bridges, or happy bouncing checks, or... whatever... running around. maybe giant costumed apples could work. tying in nicely with the home run thingy (and sponsored in part by fruit of hte loom?)... but i still really don't want to see it.

metsguyinmichigan wrote: OK, sportswriters. Justify those votes for Girardi! keeping an overpaid injury-riddled team afloat for most of the season, i suppose. though the hallmarks of a good manager would have been to keep the team in contention after some of the guys started coming back to being healthy, instead of falling more apart.

which one is out? i may have another friend who has expressed interest in the past...

he's jcl's non-cpf friend, per the '12 thread. i'll harass my own non-cpf friend who's dilly-dallying. also, man, do you guys have high hopes for michael wacha, or what! ouch!

only four more days to bump up salaries! you jackals are doing quite a number on me already. join the fun, slackers!

would duda for cuddyer or aoki be a possibility? at this point, though, i don't really knwo which of those guys i have more confidence/hope in.