stop. please. i'm tired of this catfish hunter, blah blah blah, tom seaver blah blah blah. the days of pitchers doing that kind of crap are over and with very good reasons - money. there is too much invested in them to risk injuries for no good reason, and i'm sorry, giving a team in a pennant race a harder win isnt a good enough reason. we're not in the race, so thre's no reason at all why we shouldnt give some kid a shot. also, back in the day, pitchers typically weren't babied coming up through hte minors, and so had developed more arm endurance, and those that couldnt were kicked to the curb after the inevetible injuries. nowadays, teams are more inclined to avoid those injuries, and so do not burden the arms as much - the result being arms that cannot shoulder the load, so to speak. and so, given that we know that the arm in question does not have good endurance to begin with, and knowing that the arm in question has been itred lately, and knowing that we have a ton invested in this guy and NOTHING to gain from pitching him even one more inning this year, why would it matter what the HELL nolan ryan could do, when having pedro martinez try to do it would probably mean his not being able to do it next year? its just a ridiculous argument.