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of course, how was heilman's '06 and '07? i'm just sayin... but overall i like the trade. and i'm surprised we don't yet have a poll asking me that question.

i voted no because i believe that left field is among our lesser concerns with murphy, evans, and tatis all available to spend some time out there. i believe it more important to spend our money on pitching, and i believe that giving $25M to manny means that there's $25M less to give to pitching. now, if spending $25M on manny means that there's only $15M or $10M less to go to pitching, because we would expect to recoup that money more readily due to his presence, or because the single season makes the increase in budget more palateable, then i think i'd be content to click on yes. but i don't at this point consider that to be the case.

hey, we've got some updates... Player Old Team New Team $/Yr Yrs metirish attgig edgy dc OlerudO mm JCL Oliver Perez, SP NY Mets LAD 14 5 LAD 14.5 5 PHI LAD LAD 12 4 NYY Mark Teixeira, 1B LA Angels SEA 21 7 BAL 21 6 NYY LAA NYM 23 7 LAA CC Sabathia, SP Milwaukee NYY 26 7 NYY 25.5 7 NYY NYY NYY 22 7 LAD Adam Dunn, LF Arizona LAD 15 4 WAS 13 3 COL NYM WAS 14 4 CLE Brad Penny, SP LA Dodgers SFG 14 4 HOU 14 4 BAL TOR TOR 11 4 TEX Juan Cruz, RP Arizona ARI 3 3 ARI 12 3 TEX NYM DET 8 3 NYM Orlando Hudson, 2B Arizona NYY 8 4 NYM 10 4 NYM STL FLA 8 2 NYM Ben Sheets, SP Milwaukee HOU 12 3 CHC 14 2 HOU MIL TEX 15 4 PIT Luis Ayala, RP NY Mets NYM 3.5 1 CLE 6 2 STL NYM NYM 6 2 NYM Milton Bradley, DH Texas TEX 9 3 NYM 9 2 KC BAL PHI 13 3 PHL Rafael Furcal, SS LA Dodgers SFG 10 3 BOS 11 4 ATL SFG SFG 12 3 SFG Kerry Wood, RP Chicago Cubs SDP 6 2 SDP 9.5 3 NYM TEX MIL 10 3 NYM Ryan Dempster, SP Chicago Cubs CHC 13 4 TOR 12 4 MIL 13 5 CHC LAD CHC 13 4 CHC A.J. Burnett, SP Toronto SEA 15 4 NYY 14 3 TOR ATL TOR 16 5 BOS Freddy Garcia, SP Detroit WAS 3 2 PHI 10 2 CHW DET PHI 8 2 NYM Carl Pavano, SP NY Yankees FLA 4 1 ATL 13 1 MIL HOU SDP 7 2 NYY Pat Burrell, LF Philadelphia COL 16 3 LAD 16 4 CHC PHI ATL 14 3 TBR Brian Fuentes, RP Colorado NYM 16 4 NYM 11 4 ARI NYM NYM 12 3 NYM Edgar Renteria, SS Detroit SFG 9.25 2 LAD 8 (-1) 2 (0) WAS DET CHW 10 (+1) 2 (0) NYM Orlando Cabrera, SS Chicago Sox ATL 6 2 DET 8.5 2 DET BAL STL 9 3 CHW Bobby Abreu, RF NY Yankees TAM 10 3 WAS 14 4 ANA KCR NYY 15 2 WAS Nomar Garciaparra, SS LA Dodgers BAL 8 1 TBR 6 1 BOS HOU ARI 8 2 BOS Bob Howry, RP Chicago Cubs SFG 2.75 1 CHC 6 (+3) 2 (+1) SEA 5.5 (+3) 1 (+0) LA CLE PIT 8 (+5) 2 (+1) CHC Derek Lowe, SP LA Dodgers DET 15 4 NYM 11 4 ANA NYM NYM 12 2 BOS Casey Blake, 3B LA Dodgers LAD 8 2 CLE 9 3 SF MIN BAL 8 3 MIN Mike Hampton, SP Atlanta HOU 2 1 WAS 6 (+4) 1 (0) LAD 10 (+8) 1 (0) SF BAL STL 7 (+5) 2 (+1) HOU Jason Varitek, C Boston BOS 10 1 SEA 12 2 BOS DET BOS 9 2 ARI Manny Ramirez, LF LA Dodgers TEX 20 4 LAA 21 3 LA LAD LAD 22 3 NYM Andy Pettitte, SP NY Yankees RET 0 0 TEX 18 4 NY NYY HOU 14 2 NYY Raul Ibanez, LF Seattle PHI 10 2 TEX 10 4 NYM WAS NYM 10 2 NYM Paul Lo Duca, C Florida HOU 3.5 1 SFG 4 2 LA MIL BOS 7 2 FLA Ivan Rodriguez, C NY Yankees FLA 4 1 OAK 9 1 MIL BOS RET 0 0 NYM Pedro Martinez, SP NY Mets NYM 5 1 RET 0 0 WAS LAD BOS 11 1 PIT Jason Giambi, 1B NY Yankees OAK 8 1 OAK 9 1 TEX OAK TOR 10 2 OAK Darren Oliver, RP LA Angels SDP 4 1 COL 4 2 CIN PIT PHI 6 2 LAA Ken Griffey Jr., RF Chicago Sox RET 0 0 NYY 11 1 RET SEA SEA 8 1 RET Mike Mussina, SP NY Yankees RET 0 0 RET 0 0 NYY 14 2 ANA RET RET 0 0 RET Russ Springer, RP St. Louis RET 0 0 ATL 5 1 NYM COL NYM 7 1 HOU Trevor Hoffman, RP San Diego DET 11 1 CHW 8 1 SD ATL STL 10 2 ARI Moises Alou, LF NY Mets RET 0 0 RET 0 0 OAK RET WAS 7 1 RET 0 $7M 1 0 $12M 0 0 0 0 $11M 2 1 your leaders are: teams: lunchbucket (1), everybody else (0) dollars: irish ($7M), me ($11M), attgig ($12M) years: attgig (0), irish (1 year), and me (2 years) OE: actually, i'm not sure how to treat irish's non-answer on renteria... maybe i should dock him $9M and 2 years...

Player Old Team New Team $/Yr Yrs metirish attgig edgy dc OlerudO mm JCL Oliver Perez, SP NY Mets LAD 14 5 LAD 14.5 5 PHI LAD LAD 12 4 NYY Mark Teixeira, 1B LA Angels SEA 21 7 BAL 21 6 NYY LAA NYM 23 7 LAA CC Sabathia, SP Milwaukee NYY 26 7 NYY 25.5 7 NYY NYY NYY 22 7 LAD Adam Dunn, LF Arizona LAD 15 4 WAS 13 3 COL NYM WAS 14 4 CLE Brad Penny, SP LA Dodgers SFG 14 4 HOU 14 4 BAL TOR TOR 11 4 TEX Juan Cruz, RP Arizona ARI 3 3 ARI 12 3 TEX NYM DET 8 3 NYM Orlando Hudson, 2B Arizona NYY 8 4 NYM 10 4 NYM STL FLA 8 2 NYM Ben Sheets, SP Milwaukee HOU 12 3 CHC 14 2 HOU MIL TEX 15 4 PIT Luis Ayala, RP NY Mets NYM 3.5 1 CLE 6 2 STL NYM NYM 6 2 NYM Milton Bradley, DH Texas TEX 9 3 NYM 9 2 KC BAL PHI 13 3 PHL Rafael Furcal, SS LA Dodgers SFG 10 3 BOS 11 4 ATL SFG SFG 12 3 SFG Kerry Wood, RP Chicago Cubs SDP 6 2 SDP 9.5 3 NYM TEX MIL 10 3 NYM Ryan Dempster, SP Chicago Cubs CHC 13 4 TOR 12 4 MIL 13 5 CHC LAD CHC 13 4 CHC A.J. Burnett, SP Toronto SEA 15 4 NYY 14 3 TOR ATL TOR 16 5 BOS Freddy Garcia, SP Detroit WAS 3 2 PHI 10 2 CHW DET PHI 8 2 NYM Carl Pavano, SP NY Yankees FLA 4 1 ATL 13 1 MIL HOU SDP 7 2 NYY Pat Burrell, LF Philadelphia COL 16 3 LAD 16 4 CHC PHI ATL 14 3 TBR Brian Fuentes, RP Colorado NYM 16 4 NYM 11 4 ARI NYM NYM 12 3 NYM Edgar Renteria, SS Detroit LAD 8 2 WAS DET CHW 10 2 NYM Orlando Cabrera, SS Chicago Sox ATL 6 2 DET 8.5 2 DET BAL STL 9 3 CHW Bobby Abreu, RF NY Yankees TAM 10 3 WAS 14 4 ANA KCR NYY 15 2 WAS Nomar Garciaparra, SS LA Dodgers BAL 8 1 TBR 6 1 BOS HOU ARI 8 2 BOS Bob Howry, RP Chicago Cubs CHC 6 2 SEA 5.5 1 LA CLE PIT 8 2 CHC Derek Lowe, SP LA Dodgers DET 15 4 NYM 11 4 ANA NYM NYM 12 2 BOS Casey Blake, 3B LA Dodgers LAD 8 2 CLE 9 3 SF MIN BAL 8 3 MIN Mike Hampton, SP Atlanta WAS 6 1 LAD 10 1 SF BAL STL 7 2 HOU Jason Varitek, C Boston BOS 10 1 SEA 12 2 BOS DET BOS 9 2 ARI Manny Ramirez, LF LA Dodgers TEX 20 4 LAA 21 3 LA LAD LAD 22 3 NYM Andy Pettitte, SP NY Yankees RET 0 0 TEX 18 4 NY NYY HOU 14 2 NYY Raul Ibanez, LF Seattle PHI 10 2 TEX 10 4 NYM WAS NYM 10 2 NYM Paul Lo Duca, C Florida HOU 3.5 1 SFG 4 2 LA MIL BOS 7 2 FLA Ivan Rodriguez, C NY Yankees FLA 4 1 OAK 9 1 MIL BOS RET 0 0 NYM Pedro Martinez, SP NY Mets NYM 5 1 RET 0 0 WAS LAD BOS 11 1 PIT Jason Giambi, 1B NY Yankees OAK 8 1 OAK 9 1 TEX OAK TOR 10 2 OAK Darren Oliver, RP LA Angels SDP 4 1 COL 4 2 CIN PIT PHI 6 2 LAA Ken Griffey Jr., RF Chicago Sox RET 0 0 NYY 11 1 RET SEA SEA 8 1 RET Mike Mussina, SP NY Yankees RET 0 0 RET 0 0 NYY 14 2 ANA RET RET 0 0 RET Russ Springer, RP St. Louis RET 0 0 ATL 5 1 NYM COL NYM 7 1 HOU Trevor Hoffman, RP San Diego DET 11 1 CHW 8 1 SD ATL STL 10 2 ARI Moises Alou, LF NY Mets RET 0 0 RET 0 0 OAK RET WAS 7 1 RET well, so far, mike mussina and dyan dempster both signed up before i closed the contest, so those who were prescient enough to have correctly guessed their fates get nothing. and nobody else we're tracking has yet to show up as "signed" in espn.com's big ol' list of free agents. so we're all tied up in the race for best prognosticator. like you care.

Player Career 5-yr peak 7-yr Peak 10-yr Plateau 1-yr Max santo 3rd TOP TOP 2nd TOP allen bottom 2nd 3rd 3rd 2nd using my methodology, ron santo is probably the best player not in the hall.

i think it's like basketball, where you're in bounds until you land, making the batter out, and the fielder incredibly athletic.

and so, here's a bit more intelligible way of looking at what i had said previously... Player Career 5-yr peak 7-yr Peak 10-yr Plateau 1-yr Max henderson TOP 2nd 2nd 2nd TOP blyleven TOP 2nd 2nd 3rd 2nd trammell 3rd 2nd 2nd 2nd 2nd raines 2nd 2nd 2nd 2nd bottom cone 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd 3rd mcgwire 3rd 3rd bottom 3rd 3rd mattingly bottom 3rd bottom bottom 3rd murphy bottom bottom bottom bottom 3rd dawson 3rd bottom bottom bottom bottom john 2nd out out out out morris bottom bottom bottom 3rd out rice bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom baines bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom grace bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom bell bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom williams bottom bottom bottom bottom bottom parker bottom bottom bottom out bottom smith bottom bottom bottom bottom out vaughn out bottom bottom out bottom gant out out out out bottom vaughn out out out out bottom orosco bottom out out out out plesac out out out out out

per my methodology of using WARP3 and comparing those on the ballot to those who've already been voted in by the bbwaa... i look at career and peak value over 5, 7, and 10 year spans. i also take a look at a player's best individual season, just for kicks. rickey henderson is an above average hall of famer in terms of his peak value for 5, 7, and 10 years, and is in the top quarter in terms of career value and single season. tim raines is an above average hall of vfamer by all of these measures save single season maximum, wherein he is below average. alan trammel is an above average hall of famer by all of these measures save career value, wherein he is below average. these are the hitters who would receive my vote, and in the above order (not that that matters) no other candidate hitter on the ballot ranks among the top half of the existing hall of famers by these measures. among the other hitters, mark mcgwire is below average for a hall of famer in each measure save 7-year peak value, wherein he is in the bottom quarter. don mattingly is below average in only 5 year peak and single season maximum value. by all other measures he is in the bottom quarter. andre dawson is a below average hofer in only career value. by all other measures he is in the bottom quarter. dale murphy and jay bell are below average hofer in only single season maximum value. by all other measures they are in the bottom quarter. jim rice, harold baines, mark grace, and matt williams are in the bottom quarter of hall of famers by all measures. dave parker is in the bottom quarter of hall of famers by all measures save 10-year peak vaule, wherein his value is lower than that of any hall of famer voted in by the bbwaa. mo vaughn's career value and 10-year peak value fall short of ony elected hall of famer. ron gant and greg vaughn fall short of any hall of famer by all emasures save single season maximum value, wherin they are in the bottom quarter. ... among pitchers, bert blyleven ranks in the top quarter of hofers in terms of career value, and is above average in terms of 5-yr peak, 7-yr peak and single season maximum value, but is below average in terms of 10-year peak value. he is the only pitcher who i would vote for. only tommy john ranks as above average in any category. he is above average in terms of career value. however, in terms of all three peak values and single season maximum value, he falls short of any elected hall of famer. by all measures, david cone ranks as a below average hall of famer. he is the strongest candidate whom i would not vote for. jack morris ranks in the bottom quarter of hall of famers in all categories save 10 year peak, in which he is below average. lee smith is in the bottom quarter of hall of famers in all categories save single season maximum value, wherein he falls short of any elected hofer. jesse orosco falls short of any elected hofer in all categories save career value. dan plesac falls short of any elected hofer by all measures. the only other comparison worth making would be lee smith versus elected relievers - a subset that includes, i think, only sutter, gossage, and eckersley. bruce sutter is among the weakest hall of famers elected. he has the lowest career value, and the lowest 7-year peak value. he has the second lowest 10-year peak and the third lowest 5-year peak. he also has the 5th lowest single season maximum value. goose gossage is in teh bottom quarter in terms of career value and 5-year peak, and ranks as below average in 7-year peak, 10-year peak, and single season maximum. dennis eckersley is in teh bottom quarter in all measures save career value, wherein he ranks as above average. lee smith has a higher career value than bruce sutter, but falls short of gossage. his 5-year max is just higher than sutters, but falls well short of gossage and eckersley. his 7-year peak is just higher than sutter, but well short of eckersley. his 10-year peak value is greater than sutter, and actually greater than eckersley, but well short of gossage. his single season maximum falls well short of sutter. he also did not, to my knowledge, usher in the use of any new, fancy pitch. relievers are very difficult to argue for relative to other pitchers, as eck, sutter, and gossage, based on their overall values, are all among the weaker elected hall of famers. the bar should be set fairly high for them. and lee smith does not clear that bar. oe: this might all be unreadble. maybe i'll make a table after lunch

honestly, with all the buckets of taxpayer money, both given to or not collected from the mets (and nearly every other major pro sports team), why is this spectre of $20 million/year so terribly abhorrent? i mean, its not like the bailout is going, specifically, to fund these dollars which were fairly agreed to prior to federal involvement. the mets are right to expect their money. i mean, i'd really like to see them not sell the naming rights to their building, personally, but given their choice to use it as a revenue stream, and citigroup's choice to use it as an advertisement, i see no problems. will the federal government look into all of citi's contractual obligations and force them to break those fairly negotiated contracts that have arguable ROI? ... if i were the mets, i think i would have to consider offering a buyout, though. enough to cover the expected $20 million this year, plus the cost of replacing the voluminous signage, plus a few million on top, for the trouble. but the wally mathews and mike francessas out there will only complain, unless hte mets give up the name for no cost whatsoever to citi, and then those same voices will criticize the mets for getting nothing in return.

="Nymr83"]="DocTee"]Too much-- New team is enough to gauge. i agree and thats the way we've done it in the past, i guess start another thread if you want to track that i'd participate. ]i'll hand out separate recognition to whoever guesses the teams best and whoever guesses the market best. please feel free to only guess hte new team. heck, if you only want to guess the contracts, that'd be okay too. i should've made 'em separate contests, i realize now. i also should've waited for espn to come out with their top 50 free agents, and just use the top 25 off their list, instead of taking the type a and b free agents, thinking them to be of high enough qualioty that we'd care where tehy end up. but please, if you onle want to guess the new team, go for it. my feelings won't be hurt.

i know, and it makes me sad. maybe its too much that i've asked for? hell, i can only be bothered to get my picks in on the last damned day... um, given the low interest, i'll extend the entry through the weekend. so, get your picks in NOW!!!!! Player Age Type Old Team New Team $/Yr Yrs Oliver Perez, SP 27 A NY Mets LAD12 4 Mark Teixeira, 1B 28 A LA Angels NYM 23 7 CC Sabathia, SP 28 A Milwaukee NYY 22 7 Adam Dunn, LF 29 A Arizona WAS 14 4 Brad Penny, SP 30 LA Dodgers TOR 11 4 Juan Cruz, RP 30 A Arizona DET 8 3 Orlando Hudson, 2B 30 A Arizona FLA 8 2 Ben Sheets, SP 30 A Milwaukee TEX15 4 Luis Ayala, RP 30 B NY Mets NYM 6 2 Milton Bradley, DH 30 B Texas PHI 13 3 Rafael Furcal, SS 31 LA Dodgers SFG 12 3 Kerry Wood, RP 31 A Chicago Cubs MIL10 3 Ryan Dempster, SP 31 A Chicago Cubs CHC13 4 A.J. Burnett, SP 31 A Toronto TOR 16 5 Freddy Garcia, SP 32 Detroit PHI 8 2 Carl Pavano, SP 32 NY Yankees SDP 7 2 Pat Burrell, LF 32 Philadelphia ATL 14 3 Brian Fuentes, RP 33 A Colorado NYM 12 3 Edgar Renteria, SS 33 A Detroit CHW 10 2 Orlando Cabrera, SS 34 A Chicago Sox STL 9 3 Bobby Abreu, RF 34 A NY Yankees NYY 15 2 Nomar Garciaparra, SS 35 LA Dodgers ARI8 2 Bob Howry, RP 35 A Chicago Cubs PIT 8 2 Derek Lowe, SP 35 A LA Dodgers NYM 12 2 Casey Blake, 3B 35 B LA Dodgers BAL 8 3 Mike Hampton, SP 36 Atlanta STL 7 2 Jason Varitek, C 36 A Boston BOS9 2 Manny Ramirez, LF 36 A LA Dodgers LAD22 3 Andy Pettitte, SP 36 A NY Yankees HOU 14 2 Raul Ibanez, LF 36 A Seattle NYM 10 2 Paul Lo Duca, C 36 B Florida BOS 7 2 Ivan Rodriguez, C 36 B NY Yankees RET 0 0 Pedro Martinez, SP 37 NY Mets BOS 11 1 Jason Giambi, 1B 37 NY Yankees TOR 10 2 Darren Oliver, RP 38 A LA Angels PHI 6 2 Ken Griffey Jr., RF 38 B Chicago Sox SEA8 1 Mike Mussina, SP 39 A NY Yankees RET0 0 Russ Springer, RP 40 A St. Louis NYM 7 1 Trevor Hoffman, RP 41 A San Diego STL 10 2 Moises Alou, LF 42 B NY Mets WAS 7 1

]why should the prior years count more? if i'm projecting a guy for 2009 i'm looking at something like 55% 2008, 30% 2007, 15% 2006 with adjustments made for age, ballpark, injuries, etc. well, if we give him no credit whatsoever for being injured last year, the above formula gives us the following approximate line: 80.2 IP 74 H 38 ER 9 HR 36 BB 74 SO 4.26 ERA which strikes me as at least serviceable, and definitely not "sucks"

"when the fans latch on to a scapegoat, they don't let go until their prey is dead" and i think i've found a new sig line...

7 starts into 2005, heilman had about a 4.7 era (excluding 3.1 innings of runless relief mixed in) 7 starts into 2008, mike pelfrey had a 5 era. i think we also tend to forget that heilman had a number of good outings for us this year, and turned out to have been nursing a knee injury the whole while. not for nothing, but the schaeffer results do tell us that the sum of his positive outings was greater than any other reliever. he had a number of clunkers, true, but which do you think is more the measure of his worth? the handful of true clunker outings this year, or the three prior years of good to stellar relief? all i'm sayin' is, its freakin' early and inaccurate to write off his career as "he sucked, does suck, and will always suck" we'd be fools to dump him. i hesitate, now, to put him in the rotation as more than a fifth starter, but only because i don't know that he can start having spent so many years in the pen, and i'm concerned enough about maine that i want a reliable fifth guy. but others, such as looper, have made the transition well enough. i would grant him his wish to be traded if the return were suitable to replace him in our pen. i would, hedging my bets here, also think that he could be given the chance to compete for a starting spot in spring training, and if we need to fill in for an injury, open the season with him, or allow it to be a tryout for another club. if it doesn't work out - him having the length to start - put him right back in the pen.

hey, that's our schaefer relief pitcher of the year we're talking about here!

NOT caring about contract, obviously rodriguez is the better pitcher, and at 26 y/o compared to fuentes at 32, is more likely to continue to be a better pitcher in the future. if the economy and the market is hurting k-rod, then we should take advantage of that and sign him to a reasonable deal. if the market were expected to be wacky, then i'd say got for fuentes. yeah, yeah, closers are overrated, and i'll be among the first to agree with that, but you still want, given the choice between two players, teh better of the two to be your closer, don't you?

the hard.

i so wish i had seen this thread earlier yesterday... i still haven't gotten an answer on what evidence there is showing cal ripken's hatedness. and i still don't know how david wright parallels derek jeter. i also would think that the whole point of this thread, initially, was to point out what i would call special hate, not just the generic 'waah i hate XXX 'cos they're our rival and they suck and blah blah blah, and i hate YYY cos he's their best player and he sucks too!' the instances stevie seems to be pulling out about fans of other teams whining over wrights accomplishments and cheering his misaccomplishments seems more like hating on, than hating. "david wright doesn't deserve to win the mvp because YYY was a muuch better player and he didnt come through when they needed him anyways" isn't hating, its hating on, or deliberately (and perhaps intellectually dishonestly) minimizing his accomplishments and value. and of course, using sound logic and reasoning in a fact-based argument against the gross overrating of a player, well, that's not hating. that's called analyzing derek jeter. and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez!

i generally find closers to be overrated, but neither hate nor love mariano rivera. the yankees, as an organization and an idea, i hate. i respect rivera's performance in the game of baseball. i respect, too, that steve seems to think that rivera is really really involved in some unknowable, incommunicable way in the panamanian church. i do not however feel that his residential security system(s) are well conceived and well applied. he can do better, and that detracts from my overall opinion of the man.

wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him?

shit! i figured he was a type a free agent... how is he not? i must've just glanced past his name with no real recognition when i culled out the typeless free agents...

well, i figured i'd drag this out till the last possible moment... time once again for the annual free agent prediciton contest! but this year, i'm adding a new wrinkle - just for fun! basically, while its fun to try and predict what teams will get what players, i thought it would be fun to see who can best predict the market. so in addition to guessing what team each of these free agents will land with, also take a stab at the length and average dollars that they'll get. i'll hand out separate recognition to whoever guesses the teams best and whoever guesses the market best. as far as scoring the market, the lowest score wins - you get one point for each million dollars you're off, or for each year. so if you guessed andy pettite would get 1 year for $13M, and he ends up signing for 4 years at $48M, you'd get 3 points for the length of contract, and 1 point for the dollar value - total 4 points. if someone else guessed 3 years at $30M, they'd get 1 point for length of contract (4-3=1), and 2 points for the dollar value (12-10=2) - total 3 points. i don't know if this'll be fun, or interesting, or if anyone's even gonna bother cos it sounds too complicated, but what the hell - i'm bored today. i took the list of all the Type A free agents, and percolated in a select few type B and un-typed free agents of interest. so have at it! (please!) lets set a due date of next friday, 11:59 PM. if anybody gets signed before then, they don't count. Player Age Type Old Team New Team $/Yr Yrs Oliver Perez, SP 27 A NY Mets Mark Teixeira, 1B 28 A LA Angels CC Sabathia, SP 28 A Milwaukee Adam Dunn, LF 29 A Arizona Brad Penny, SP 30 LA Dodgers Juan Cruz, RP 30 A Arizona Orlando Hudson, 2B 30 A Arizona Ben Sheets, SP 30 A Milwaukee Luis Ayala, RP 30 B NY Mets Milton Bradley, DH 30 B Texas Rafael Furcal, SS 31 LA Dodgers Kerry Wood, RP 31 A Chicago Cubs Ryan Dempster, SP 31 A Chicago Cubs A.J. Burnett, SP 31 A Toronto Freddy Garcia, SP 32 Detroit Carl Pavano, SP 32 NY Yankees Pat Burrell, LF 32 Philadelphia Brian Fuentes, RP 33 A Colorado Edgar Renteria, SS 33 A Detroit Orlando Cabrera, SS 34 A Chicago Sox Bobby Abreu, RF 34 A NY Yankees Nomar Garciaparra, SS 35 LA Dodgers Bob Howry, RP 35 A Chicago Cubs Derek Lowe, SP 35 A LA Dodgers Casey Blake, 3B 35 B LA Dodgers Mike Hampton, SP 36 Atlanta Jason Varitek, C 36 A Boston Manny Ramirez, LF 36 A LA Dodgers Andy Pettitte, SP 36 A NY Yankees Raul Ibanez, LF 36 A Seattle Paul Lo Duca, C 36 B Florida Ivan Rodriguez, C 36 B NY Yankees Pedro Martinez, SP 37 NY Mets Jason Giambi, 1B 37 NY Yankees Darren Oliver, RP 38 A LA Angels Ken Griffey Jr., RF 38 B Chicago Sox Mike Mussina, SP 39 A NY Yankees Russ Springer, RP 40 A St. Louis Trevor Hoffman, RP 41 A San Diego Moises Alou, LF 42 B NY Mets

i see all caps here, i expect irony, or snark.

the "o's" on the alternate uni hat is awful.

well, no wonder they don't like recognizing the internet guys... their technical sophistication must be foreign and disconcerting to the paper-based bbwaa members