Edgy MD

Again with the quotey-quotey thing.I'll defer to whatever (so long as Lary is redeemed), or we can revisit.I'm working on 2006.

Snark, snark.

Shut out on Zito.

Whoah, wait. Now that there's a movie coming out, increasing the exposure and increasing the demand... ebay, baby!

Amazin'. I didn't grow up on Marvel. But if I did... a freak like that... amazin'.

Where are you opening night of Ghost Rider?

That's always a philosophical question that is hard to apply mathmatically --- what's the season worth compared to the post-season. Pretend it's a four-division format, like 1986. The Mets win their division, they've established themselves as the champion among six teams. If they beat Houston in the LCS, that doubles, and they're the champion of 12 teams. So philosophically, it can be argued, the LCS, seven games though it may be, carries, in itself, the weight of a full season. And the World Series the weight of both of those. (More, perhaps, in 1986, as the champion of a 12-team league beat the champion of a 14-team league.) I'm not marrying that one. I'm just taking it out for a walk. I'm not really ready to state that Ray Knight's World Series MVP is worth as much as a season MVP --- and should be counted in his otherwise humble Hall of Fame candidacy --- although it's not unthinkable either.

Falling twice, huh? Ghost Rider looks slick, but then I hear the cliched "Oooh! Ahhh!" soundtrack and see Nicholas Cage and I think "Maybe not."

I messed up everybody by grabbing too many columns in my sort.

Yeah, I messed up sorting and royally messed up Monk's list. I'll try again.

Nothing personal.

This is what I've got. We're pretty set up top. I've included standard deviations to indicate which guys we have strong disagreement on. As is typical, they frequently include guys with partial seasons (Martinez, Sanchez) and guys who performed well in lower-profile roles (Feliciano, Oliver). There's more consensus on the batters. Anybody who has an SD over 3.5 is worth reviewing. I haven't posted a list, but I think I have a place in my heart for Dave Williams. RankTransMonkVic Sageseawolf17valadiusFrayed KnotNymr83Johnny DickshotRankConsensusAverageHighLowSD30BeltranBeltranReyesBeltranBeltranBeltranBeltran30Beltran29.8630290.3829ReyesReyesBeltranReyesReyesReyesReyes29Reyes29.1430290.3828WrightWrightDelgadoDelgadoWrightWrightWright28Wright27.7128270.4927DelgadoDelgadoWrightWrightDelgadoDelgadoDelgado27Delgado27.2928270.4926GlavineWagnerGlavineLoDucaWagnerLoDucaWagner26Glavine25.7126250.4925LoDucaGlavineLoDucaGlavineGlavineGlavineGlavine25LoDuca24.8626240.9024WagnerMaineOliverChavezHeilmanChavezBradford24Wagner23.8625211.4623ValentinChavezFelicianoNadySanchezHeilmanChavez23Valentin21.5724191.9022HeilmanHeilmanO. HernandezMaineValentinMartinezValentin22Heilman19.5722171.7221MaineNadyMaineTrachselChavezNadyNady21Maine18.8622153.1320MartinezO. HernandezMartinezFloydFloydSanchezMartinez20Martinez18.5723144.3919ChavezSanchezChavezOliverFelicianoBradfordO. Hernandez19Chavez18.1421152.4818FelicianoLoDucaWagnerWagnerLoDucaValentinLoDuca18Feliciano17.5724124.4317SanchezMartinezValentinValentinMartinezWagnerSanchez17Sanchez17.5723114.4716BradfordFelicianoSanchezHeilmanBradfordFloydMaine16Bradford17.1421132.4115O. HernandezValentinHeilmanMartinezMaineMaineFeliciano15O. Hernandez17.0022113.7014OliverBradfordBradfordO. HernandezO. HernandezOliverHeilman14Oliver15.2921104.0713NadyMotaNadyFelicianoTrachselTrachselFloyd13Nady14.4319122.4412FloydTrachselFloydSanchezOliverO. HernandezTrachsel12Floyd12.571792.6411TrachselGreenTrachselBradfordNadyFelicianoOliver11Trachsel12.4315111.4010GreenOliverFrancoFrancoFrancoPerezMota10Green9.711391.509FrancoFloydGreenGreenGreenGreenGreen9Franco8.711071.388MotaPerezMilledgeMotaPerezBannisterFranco8Mota7.001203.967PerezJulioPerezWoodwardWilliamsPelfreyMilledge7Perez6.431032.646BannisterBannisterBannisterMilledgeMilledgeMilledgeR. Hernandez6Bannister5.43841.515MilledgeCastroCastroCastroTuckerTuckerWoodward5Milledge4.71812.214WoodwardMilledgeSolerR. HernandezWoodwardSolerPerez4Woodward3.86712.413SolerTuckerMotaBannisterBannisterCastroTucker3Soler2.57602.762CastroFrancoWoodwardPerezMotaFrancoBannister2Castro2.29702.431R. HernandezWoodwardTuckerSolerCastroWoodwardJulio1R. Hernandez1.86602.61 Tucker1.71401.70 Julio0.71301.25 Pelfrey0.43301.13 Williams0.43301.13Left OutTucker, Julio, Pelfrey, WilliamsSoler, R. Hernandez, Pelfrey, WilliamsR. Hernandez, Julio, Pelfrey, WilliamsTucker, Julio, Pelfrey, WilliamsSoler, R. Hernandez, Julio, PelfreyMota, R. Hernandez, Julio, WilliamsCastro, Soler, Pelfrey, Williams

Though not necesarily permanent ones. Julio Franco, a History in Pictures.

Frayed Knot wrote: Wagner - I'm convinced now that no one will ever like the closer, but Wagner had a lower ERA, lower WHiP, Higher K/9, plus a lower BAA & SLGA than any of the other relievers all while usually working the money inning(s) He blew a game against the Yankees! Chyuh! I'm looking at the rankings of our catchers not named LoDuca and it strikes me that we would have been lost if Paulie had gotten injured.

It was born here, I think.

Metropolis was played by New York in the Christopher Reeve Superman. The connection has a long pedigree.

I don't think Superman has to look cool. I think it's best (or coolest) portraying him as a dork who has to deal with the notion that cool sailed away for him back in Smallville.

The suit was odd, seemingly made out of a smokey-colored magic rubber, instead of a brightly colored magic silk/spandex blend. It kills for me one of the best things of the admittedly bad Superman III, in which he's corrupted by a variation of kryptonite, and, as his character fades, so does the color of his suit, until he rebounds, rips off his suit, and there's inexplicably (but cooly) another bright one underneath. How did the Doctors get that suit off of him? Man, a lot of holes in that script. But I guess it's stylistically a great place from which to re-launch the serial. They also gave Metropolis some of its own character, so it's more than just New York with a different name, and they briefly mentioned another city called Gotham, showing it's clearly set in the DC universe, and perhaps setting up for a future movie in which Routh's Superguy teams up with Christian Bale's Batguy and maybe a few other Justice Leaguers.

Stylistically, they do it almost all right. Script-wise, dumber than a box of rocks. It must be really hard to write a good adventure story about a guy vulnerable to almost nothing --- except ho-hum Kryptonite. The romantic story will work, because of the contrast between his invulnerable body and his vulnerable heart. Action-wise, well, the guy can bend time and space, so even when he screws up, he can get a do-over. Damn, that kid looked like a Culkin.

I'm not seeing how two guys can have 29 under any circumstances. If two guys are tied for second, we would tend to give them the average of 28 and 29, 28.5.When did I attempt to steal a point for Kranepool?

I'm telling you what the list says.When did I attempt to steal a point for Kranepool?I thought it was simply logical that two guys tied for second would get 28.5 points each, rather than 29, and two guys tied for 20th (Dave Marshall and Ken Singleton) would get 10.5 points rather than 10.

Well, numbers two and thee should each have 28.5.That's 22.5 for Harrelson and Ryan.Shamsky and Garrett sould be 17.5. There's a coupla ties there.

Check.

Sorry to have dominated part of the original conversation with a stupid goofball request. Let's take it back to the main forum.

Yeah, well, the utter absence of Lary doesn't look too good for your list either.