Edgy MD

Ceetar wrote: What if it was simply a move? may have been petty but does that make it wrong? You exist in quite the relativistic universe. Yes, it was wrong. Ceetar wrote: What if it's false redemption? Is it right for Vick or Jackson (or Paterno is another example) to eventually be redeemed? And you also spin things way off into the stratosphere away from the point.

Edgy wrote: Michael Jackson. Michael Milken. Michael Vick. While there's a pulse in the body, there's time for another act. I don't know if it's Horwitz' fault or just that right now the Mets are really between a rock and a hard place and there really isn't a good solution (besides winning). Edgy wrote: In other words, living well. Interesting though, is who determines what 'redemption' is. Michael Vick has been redeemed by the NFL and it's sponsors and the media. But I talked to an Eagles fan friend this season who understand the whole "you root for the laundry not the player" concept but still felt wrong about it. He's certainly not redeemed in her eyes. I hardly meant to say any of them were finished products on the road to public redemption, only that they aren't finished --- even Jackson, who doesn't have a pulse. Denying access to the clubhouse (which would've had zero affect on the book since it wasn't about the Mets players and most of them have as little insight to the matter as we do) is a petty move but it's not really a big deal because the fan base at large does not care about who's credentialed and their interactions with the club. Big deal or not, we're talking about whether it was the right move.

Ceetar wrote: I think we're well beyond the 'living well' option as well. You really think that? My experience is that there's always room for redemption in public life --- particularly for the rich. George Steinbrenner went from untouchable outcast to secular saint in a few short years. Michael Jackson. Michael Milken. Michael Vick. While there's a pulse in the body, there's time for another act. Ceetar wrote: I don't know if it's Horwitz' fault or just that right now the Mets are really between a rock and a hard place and there really isn't a good solution (besides winning). In other words, living well.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I bought most of mine at Al's Luncheonette but that was 37 years ago. Is that the same as Al's Diner --- trashed by Al Leiter and after the game six playoff loss?

It may well be that it came from above Horwitz. It may even be probable. But if I'm the VP of PR with forty years of juice in the organization, I'm insisting to them that the best way to get ahead of this story is by engaging with the writer, not by freezing him. Remind them that living well is the best revenge. Klapisch still has his creds, and he's an assassin.

And that's all why I'm all like, "Deadlines, shmeadlines. It's 2012. Printing is easy." That's all cover for laziness and arbitrary distribution manipulations.

People who get Horwitz' cooperation all rave about him. I wonder sometimes if there's not a lot of shit he does right, even batting .300 on clusterfuck scandals with the Wilpons in charge would keep a man very busy. No doubt. I'm thinking what he does right is feed you stories on days when you've got to file and you've got nothing. "Hey, know what Vance Wilson's vanity plates mean?" "I bet you didn't know that Manny Acosta's father is baker in Managua whose pastries were favored by both the Contras and the Sandanistas." "Scott Hairston's name, when you rearrange the letters, spells Trots into Cash. It's true!" I'm also thinking maybe a lot of the ravers are fellow dinosaurs.

"Hey, man, the job is mine. You know what's 'almost official'? Me and your momma."

Sheesh, I don't blame them for not liking his reporting, but I think they should have about 30 other guys on that list ahead of Howard. Horwitz needs to be de-credentialed, I'm afraid. I appreciate all he's done for the team, but he's a dinosaur and he's hurting the men he's seeking to protect.

Ah, you're predicting a restructuring bankruptcy that they survive. I see.

I think the Wilpons come out of this.

It doesn't matter. This is the key right here. metirish wrote: �The Mets,� the insider said, �are probably the biggest beneficiaries of all in this Dodger sale.� The Dodgers sale will lead to a revaluation of the what they own of the team. How much is a bickering point. They have more value in their leverage-able asset without (if I understand finance) a similar revaluation in the debt they are leveraging it to cover. It could be good for the incoming minority investors too if they get in at the right level.

That's the one I'm on, but David Lee Roth and Meat Loaf seem to have bumped Eddie from the stage.

Yeah, I guess. I like to think that in my world, there'd be an equal number of cards circulated for all active players showing them on their current team. The minute a guy is added to the roster, his cards get integrated into the distribution network. The minute he's removed from the roster, they stop shipping him. It's 2012. It's do-able!

Brad Penny goes to the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks.

Why is there a Jason Isringhausen card?

I'm going to take you to a seder far from here We hope Elijah finally shows his face this year We've waited so long... We've waited so long... (Take it)

That would be a good celebrity cruise --- loaded with current and former media freaks who think never quite understood that they weren't media darlings.

Yeah, if you wrote it once, surely you can remember half of it and fudge the rest. Here, I'll give you ten songs: "Night Moves" "Word Up" "Don't Fear the Reaper" "Mack the Knife" "Making Our Dreams Come True (Theme from Laverne and Shirley)" "Celluloid Heroes" "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby?" "I Think I Love You" "Let's Get It On" "La Bamba" None, as far as I can recall, have been used. All are rife with potential. RIFE! Lot's of words. Lots of character. Lot's of joy quotient. I see a parody set to any of these ten, my vote is halfway cast by line two. LINE TWO! Gal blammit! Show some risk! Where would be today if Gary Carter conceded? Hmmmmm?

Benjamin Grimm wrote: For charity, I hope. Of course. How else do you justify extremely solipsistic TV programming featuring the vainglorious wealthy. It's for the kids.

And, somehow, his team pulled off the walkoff victory.

Hair to be auctioned.

Yeah, I thought maybe I should give folks fair warning on that. In his case, I imagine it's the cure as much as the disease, and he's roided to the gills.

Easy, Shecky.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I mean even if this part didn't come out it looked like that. True that.