Edgy wrote: Michael Jackson. Michael Milken. Michael Vick. While there's a pulse in the body, there's time for another act. I don't know if it's Horwitz' fault or just that right now the Mets are really between a rock and a hard place and there really isn't a good solution (besides winning). Edgy wrote: In other words, living well. Interesting though, is who determines what 'redemption' is. Michael Vick has been redeemed by the NFL and it's sponsors and the media. But I talked to an Eagles fan friend this season who understand the whole "you root for the laundry not the player" concept but still felt wrong about it. He's certainly not redeemed in her eyes. I hardly meant to say any of them were finished products on the road to public redemption, only that they aren't finished --- even Jackson, who doesn't have a pulse. Denying access to the clubhouse (which would've had zero affect on the book since it wasn't about the Mets players and most of them have as little insight to the matter as we do) is a petty move but it's not really a big deal because the fan base at large does not care about who's credentialed and their interactions with the club. Big deal or not, we're talking about whether it was the right move.