Edgy MD

The New Mutants, April 1987.

Olivo released. This is totally going to suppress his Hall of Fame vote.

NYMR wrote: ...but the Mets seem to want to move them not because they want to build a team of groundball pitchers and homerun hitters but because the current team isnt playing well and they are scrambling for an explanation other than the talent level... . Can you tell why we should draw this conclusion?

Nymr83 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: As I said, I'm not sure where that gets us. I'm certain much of this discussion is just going in circles, but I'm even more certain that moving fences and getting good players are not mutually exclusive. I'm not sure which guys you're advocating giving up on. Moving fences is going to hurt the pitchers and arguably hurts us more than the opponent at least moving the centerfield wall due to Lagares' range. so unless you're going to move them every season after an exhaustive analysis of the current roster (would mlb allow this even?) i dont see the point. if you're going to move them once and talk about a general philosophy thats another story, but the Mets seem to want to move them not because they want to build a team of groundball pitchers and homerun hitters but because the current team isnt playing well and they are scrambling for an explanation other than the talent level Listen, in my ideal park, there are no fences at all, just a vast expanse of green stretching as far as the eye can see, interrupted only by the occasional weeping willow, babbling brook, gamboling deer, or grazing bison. Again, I'm not sure which guys you're advocating giving up on.

I am not claiming they affected the park factor. I am claiming their presence and absence had an effect on the team totals and league-wide rankings based on those totals as cited in the post from Centerfield.

As I said, I'm not sure where that gets us. I'm certain much of this discussion is just going in circles, but I'm even more certain that moving fences and getting good players are not mutually exclusive. I'm not sure which guys you're advocating giving up on.

I am troubled by the park factor and the psychological toll, while not being able to factually establish that either of these things actually exist. But one thing (two actually) those teams had before 2009 that they didn't have going forward is Carlos Delgado and a healthy Carlos Beltran. It could simply be that they've never found the lefthanded lightning to replace those guys. And from the right side, were Francoeur and Bay stiffed by the park or were the Mets stiffed by them? It's hard. I mean, if the campaign is to rebuild Shea brick by brick, I'll sign on. And if just sticking the old Shea wall distances out there at Citi Field as best as they can is on the menu, I'll go there too. At least it'll give Wright back something like his landing spot in right center behind the 371 sign, but I'm not sure where that gets us.

I'm also wondering if Alderson is somewhat self-restricted from making aggressive bids in pursuit of the recent crop of Cuban monsters. Perhaps because he has to keep alive his reputation as a guy who has helped clean up the game. Perhaps because he needs to keep the organization as far away from scandal as possible as long as they are indebted to the good graces of the league office. Perhaps because he needs to keep his nose clean in preparing to become the next commissioner. Seeing Flores coming up a half inning after Puig was like watching a men-vs.-boys game.

Aaaaaardsma. Aybar. 'Erbel. Guillermo F. Mota.

I mean, no offense, Fidel. But I don't hold to the idea that Cuba is home to the greatest training facilities, technology, and personnel, just because.

kruffle.

Juan playing like a nut. This is the way the Mets will have to find themselves. Punching and punching right back at 'em.

SOUP IT UP!

C'mon, Chris Young. Show us what Sandy saw.

Angel Hernandez strikes. The weirdest strikes in baseball.

Hey, Korean New Yorkers. Ryu is the enemy. None of this Soupcan stuff.

It was. It could have been an inch more onto the hands, but... Gonzales is guessing right these days.

Am I the only one who wonders if a lot of the Cuban defectors got juiced to the gills during their growth years, and then it's out of their system by the time they jump ship and debut in MLB? A lot of monsters landing on our shores.

How about how Puig bangs each of his muscles with the bat during his routine while stepping in?

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Strawberry and Vizcaino are right. Kingman and Carter aren't. One more to go. Of course not Carter. What was I thinking?

Cartier.

Strawb.

Ray Sadecki throwing to Clint Hurdle. Best Mets-Tigers outfield.

Dodgers go wif: [*:qsupo0bu]Gordon 2B[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Puig RF[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Ramirez SS[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Gonzalez 1B[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Kemp CF[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Crawford LF[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Turner 3B[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Ellis C (#FreeOlivo!)[/*:m:qsupo0bu] [*:qsupo0bu]Ryu P[/*:m:qsupo0bu][/list:o:qsupo0bu] Wonder how much crap Mattingly gets for batting Puig second.

Lagares CF Murphy 2B Wright 3B C. Young LF Granderson RF Campbell 1B Flores SS Recker C deBom P