You know who always seems to be outside the conversation? Howard Johnson. I'm not sure where the line should be, but he was, by most fair measures, a top-ten Mets batter all-time, almost certainly ahead of Hall-of-Famers such as Mookie Wilson and Rusty Staub. Kraney Krane too. (Although, most "fair" measures aren't particularly fair when it comes to pinch-hitters.)