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The top 20 WAR's for NL pitchers (1970-present) Matlack has the highest rated WAR season for a pitcher with a losing record. He deserved to win at least 20 games in '74. Wherever a pitcher scored the highest WAR in a particular season but did not win the Cy Young Award, the actual winner is noted. 1. Steve Carlton/PHI ---------12.2--1972 2. Dwight Gooden/NYM-------11.7--1985 3. Tom Seaver/NYM------------9.5--1973 4. Steve Carlton/PHI-----------9.4--1980 5. Fergie Jenkins/CHI----------9.2--1971 6. Tom Seaver/NYM------------9.2--1971 7. Phil Niekro/ATL--------------9.1--1978---(Gaylord Perry/SD 4.7 WAR -- failed to crack top 10 -- ERA champ Craig Swan ranked 4th) 8. Randy Johnson/ARI---------8.8--2002 9. Greg Maddux/ATL-----------8.8--1995 10. Rick Reuschel/CHI----------8.7--1977---(Steve Carlton/PHI 5.8 WAR, 6th) 11. Bob Gibson/STL-------------8.7--1970 12. Jose Rijo/CIN----------------8.6--1993---(Greg Maddux/ATL 6.2 WAR, 2nd place) 13. Jon Matlack/NYM------------8.6--1974---(Mike Marshall/LA 3.1 WAR)-------(WL 13-15) 14. Phil Niekro/ATL--------------8.5--1977-------(WL 16-20) 15. Dave Roberts/SD------------8.5--1971-------(WL 14-17) 16. Randy Johnson/ARI---------8.4--2001 17. Kevin Brown/SD-------------8.4--1998---(Tom Glavine/ATL 5.6 WAR 5th) 18. Greg Maddux/CHI-----------8.4--1992 19. Steve Rogers/MON----------8.4--1982---(Steve Carlton/PHI 5.7 WAR, 5th) 20. Randy Johnson/ARI---------8.2--1999

I predict that a David Wright home run will bring the score to 7-6 Braves.

Who the hell started this IGT?

7-3. One for the Mets. Can't score the 7th before scoring the 3rd.

You want comedy? Stick around. Two more runs and Ollie'll get a turn.

The comeback begins now. Francoeur's cleared.

Jeez. That article resonates with me. Not the part about not enjoying the win, but Frenchy shouldn't be starting any game against a right-handed pitcher. The Mets can't afford to squander any more at bats.

Nuxhall, Reds

dupe

Chad Ochoseis wrote: Buffalo? Yes!!

Nope.

Seven of the eight cities/metropolitan areas that were selected to host a baseball team in the proposed Continental League of 50 years ago eventually got a MLB franchise. Name the only city that didn't.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I also agree that it has its flaws. But to Johnny's point, this exercise is for fun, not for science. We're extending the Lindsey-Ralph-Bob tradition. That's the spirit!

Aww shucks and all. I know you weren't criticizing me. I didn't take it that way. I was only trying to explain why Schaefer would yield quirky results, as Grimm noticed earlier. Heck, I might even vote tonight now that I got this out of my system.

Edgy DC wrote: So it boils down mostly to no negative points for negative performances, correct?. Kind of. To determine player of the month, every player should be awarded a game score for every game he appears in. The stars, the heroes, the goats, and everyone in between.

Edgy DC wrote: Which specific flaw do you speak of? I 'm glad you asked. Schaefer works well enough to determine the player of the game, but begins to break down as the demands on Schaefer are increased; Schaefer is ill-suited to determine the player of the month, player of the year, etc. In order to determine player of the month with any degree of reasonable accuracy, the voter ought to be required to rate the performance of every single player that played in the game, not just the handful of players that had the best performances. Moreover, the rating scale ought to reflect that the score of a player who doesn�t get into the game should be zero. This means that any player whose performance hurt the Mets more than it helped the Mets ought to be given a negative number score. I�ll illustrate the Schaefer flaw using the following example for relief pitchers, since Grimm noted just how quirky the system is for relievers. But the flaw is just as applicable to starting pitchers and everyday position players. In the month of September, the Mets win their first 13 games, all by the score of 2-1. K-Rod saves each of those first 13 wins by pitching a scoreless 9th inning and striking out the side on nine pitches in each of his 13 saves. On the evening of his 13th save, he suffers a season-ending injury while celebrating after the most recent Met win. The Mets then go on to win their remaining 13 games in the month of September, all by a score of 1-0. In each of those remaining 13 games, the starting pitcher pitches eight innings of shutout ball. Bobby Parnell saves each of the last 13 games, repeating K-Rod�s performance of the first half of the month by striking out the side on nine pitches in every save. Here�s the catch: (or glitch): K-Rod�s September record is a perfect 13 appearances/13 saves/39 strikeouts/0.00 WHIP. But what if Parnell was the eight inning pitcher in each of K-Rod�s 13 September saves? And what if Parnell gave up one run in each of his eighth inning performances? The Schaefer voting, in all likelihood, wouldn�t penalize Parnell for his ineffective run of eighth innings. Schaefer would simply credit Parnell for his saves �. his positive performances. And because Parnell�s and K-Rod�s positive performances are identical in this hypothetical, it is likely that they would finish tied for Schaefer reliever of the month for September. The flaw in Schaefer player of the month is that it doesn�t penalize, or even account, for negative performances. The system, as it is, is bound to get the player of the month right sometimes, either by luck, or because of the disparity in performance among the top candidates. But the closer the candidates are statistically, the likelier it is that Scahefer will pick the wrong player of the month. But the mock baseball cards alone, are worth the price of admission.

I'm not blaming anybody.

Dickey's been my favorite Met for about two months now. We'll see how long this lasts. On a Dickey note, I'm pissed at fangraphs WAR because Dickey's WAR stayed the same (2.1) after last night's start. That oughtta raise Dickey's IP/WAR. Baseball Reference's WAR formula had Dickey at 2.4 before last night's game. The reason that Schaefer is so quirky with relievers (relievers especially, I'd say, but quirky with everyone) is because the Schaefer system for determining player of the month is deeply flawed. So there. I finally said it after holding it in all these years. That's why I don't participate in Schaefer. It's my personal protest against the system. Call me a killjoy all you want. I can't help myself anymore and I can't hold it in anymore. I've been holding it in 'cause I figured I'd get moidered here but I can't hold it in.

Gwreck wrote: In all seriousness, the Wilpons have shelled out plenty of cash for payroll/draft signings.... And another thing ...... You don't know that. Unless you know how much they're making, and how much they're spending in relation to what they have, ... how much they could spend, you're just guessing. The issue isn't simply how much money the Wilpons have spent, but how much money they can comfortably afford to spend.

Gwreck wrote: metirish wrote: I think he meant Wilpon( and I think you knew that) Oh, is that what he meant? I never considered that, seeing as how you can't fire an owner.. If you can't fire a Wilpon in this poll, then perhaps the poll-master should remove the Wipon name from the choices. I didn't realize that this was such a serious poll that all because of us, the top vote-getters would be receiving actual pink slips at the close of voting. I will now withdraw all of my votes being that in real life, I don't even have the clout to get the third dishwasher at CF Shake Shack fired.

Yeah, but can Lopez wipe the smiles off of his teammates after a loss?

Ceetar wrote: anybody would be better than Manuel including willie, art howe, etc, i doubt that, being that Jerry's been doing for about half a season, what Willie did for three and a half years. And Willie did it worse than Jerry did. So there. But Jerry's gonna get fired someday. Everybody gets fired. When that day comes, will you have anything left to write about?