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I'm reserving judgment on K-Rod. There might very well be a back story to this; the father-in-law is pressing charges. I'm against K-Rod's contract, though. I'm not criticizing his performance. In fact, I think he's having a terrific season. But I'm against paying a pitcher $10M to throw 70 or 80 innings. In 2009, between K-Rod and Wagner's contracts, the Mets spent $20 million dollars on 70 innings pitched.

The answer is Oliver Perez. RankPitcherWARYEAR 1Paul Wilson-2.819962Craig Anderson-2.019623Randy Jones-1.819814Doug Sisk-1.719855Jim McAndrew-1.719736Aaron Heilman-1.520037Cal Koonce-1.519698Pete Schourek-1.519939Jay Hook-1.5196310Oliver Perez-1.4200911Doug Henry-1.4199612Mike Bruhert-1.4197813Mike Scott-1.4198214Chuck Estrada-1.3196715Calvin Schiraldi-1.3198516Jason Isringhausen-1.3199717Rich Rodriguez-1.3200018Larry Bearnarth-1.3196519George Stone-1.3197420Oliver Perez-1.2201021Jose Lima-1.2200622Gordon Richardson-1.2196623Jorge Sosa-1.2200824Bruce Berenyi-1.2198625Phil Hennigan-1.2197326Ray Daviault-1.2196227Dock Ellis-1.21979

Who is the only Met pitcher to have pitched two of the 20 all time worst Met pitcher WAR seasons?

If Francoeur is going to carry on about what a team player he is, and how winning is what matters most to him, then this thread is fair game and he deserves all of the criticism he's attracting, even though, concededly, he has the right to seek a better deal on another team. And it just might be that Frenchy's critics aren't motivated by hate, but by their rooting interest in the Mets, and wanting what's best for their favorite team. The world doesn't revolve around Frenchy, even though Frenchy himself might still not be old enough or wise enough or mature enough to realize that. Every AB Frenchy takes is at the expense of some other probably more deserving Met. Every AB Frenchy is given from here on out, especially against righties, is one more squandered opportunity, whether the Mets see themselves as still in this year's hunt or whether they're mainly preparing for the future.

Edgy DC wrote: I call it two stretch-run failures. You can call the last month or so of each season a disaster, but the neither season is correctly charactarized as a whole that way. The Mets failed in September. But the Mets and Phils were separated by four games in the standings over two seasons combined. So the Phils had to have failed somewhere else. Those two teams were very evenly matched. And that's my point.

Ashie62 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: TransMonk wrote: This team is a mess. The talent is suspect, the game management is laughable and I'm much closer to believing the Wilpon's financial woes are more true than false. Factoring in some of the horrible contracts that are on the books, things may have to get worse before they get better. Earlier this season, I thought this season could be the prelude to bigger things. I now believe it may be the epilogue to the disasters of 2007, 2008 and 2009. It is not all doom and gloom, however. I feel the farm system is deep and that the performances of some of the youngsters will provide youthful and cheap talent for the next few years. For the first time in a long time (maybe ever), I am actively rooting for the Mets to clear some payroll and NOT sign a free agent. I am not giving up on Beltran, as I believe given time to get up to game speed over a full season that he still has the talent to produce. I have given up on this team, though. For a team like the Mets that is filled with bloated contracts, $18.5 million and "bargain" cannot be shared in the same sentence. IMO, it's time to cut and run. Take what we can get by moving the heavy contracts and go forward. I like Beltran, but if another team wants to give us a young part or take on some salary, I'd have to consider it. I agree that the game management is bad. Oh, I believe. But all talent is suspect, and the Mets' talent is less suspect han most. The team payroll remains among the highest in MLB. I also don't think 2007, 2008, 1nd 2009 can be fairly characterized as disasters. Two stretch-run failures and an injury-filled third year don't indicate a system-wide problem. I think a good manager and a re-assessment of the offensive approach can go a long way. If the 2007 & 2008 collapses are not disasters what would you call them? just curious. I'd call it bad luck. I do call it bad luck. No one's ever convinced me that the 2007 and 2008 Phillies were any better than their Mets rivals.

So Frenchy doesn't wanna help the Mets win some games by being used efficiently as a platoon player with above average defensive skills? He cares more about his personal stats than the plight of his team, his employer? Was he lying though his big fat teeth when he was telling us all season long that he was a team player who only cared about winning? Say it ain't so, Frenchy.

I'm onto this manipulative **********.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The top 100 Mets pitcher WAR seasons, then ranked according to IP/WAR. Or ... which Mets pitcher seasons might've generated the best Strat-O-Matic cards. An IP/WAR of 40 begins to approach dominance. Not surprisingly, seven of the top 10 IP/WAR seasons were turned in by relief pitchers, who generally pitch at a more intense pace than starters, given that they're not expected to throw more than 30-40 pitches per appearance, if even that many. IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR153Armando Benitez3.5199922.2921Dwight Gooden11.7198523.65390Randy Myers2.6198826.15443Tug McGraw3.9197227.18541Tug McGraw4.0197127.75611Al Leiter6.5199829.69783Bob Apodaca2.8197530.24895Armando Benitez2.5200030.4092Tom Seaver9.51973 30.531052Jesse Orosco3.6198330.56114Jon Matlack8.61974 30.85123Tom Seaver9.21971 31.121379Jason Isringhausen2.9199532.07 1497Jesse Orosco2.5198632.401525Bret Saberhagen5.2199434.10166Tom Seaver7.6196935.96 1710Jerry Koosman6.7196935.971818Craig Swan5.7197836.37195Tom Seaver7.71975 36.41209Jon Matlack6.7197236.422112Johan Santana6.4200836.61227Tom Seaver7.51968 37.072389Tug McGraw2.7196937.16248Jerry Koosman6.8196838.772523Sid Fernandez5.5199239.032613Tom Seaver6.4196739.222722Pedro Martinez5.5200539.452814Frank Viola6.3199039.632916David Cone5.8198839.893070Sid Fernandez3.0199339.893124Dwight Gooden5.4198440.3732 36Al Leiter4.2200441.353320Tom Seaver5.7197441.403446Jim McAndrew3.8197242.283544Johan Santana3.8201042.633627Al Leiter4.7200044.263717Tom Seaver5.8197245.173842Carl Willey4.0196345.753950Sid Fernandez3.7198546.044021Jerry Koosman5.7197346.144128Bob Ojeda4.7198646.244251Johan Santana3.6200946.304345Dwight Gooden3.8198747.284429Mike Hampton4.6200047.324519Tom Seaver5.7197647.544667George Stone3.1197347.744715Tom Seaver6.0197048.444881Bret Saberhagen2.8199349.764984Rick Reed2.7200149.885039Rick Reed4.1199750.815130Ron Darling4.6198651.525238Rick Reed4.1199851.795326Jerry Koosman5.11974 51.965433Jon Matlack4.6197352.615566Craig Swan3.1198253.665632Jerry Koosman4.6197653.775755Dennis Ribant3.5196653.815831Craig Swan4.6197954.645972Pat Zachry3.0198054.896047Steve Trachsel3.7200355.326137David Cone4.2199155.406299Ed Lynch2.5198255.736380Ray Sadecki2.9197156.326435Ron Darling4.4198556.366548Dwight Gooden3.7199356.406662Al Leiter3.2200356.466734Dwight Gooden4.41986 56.826854Nino Espinosa3.5197757.146949David Cone3.7199057.217059David Cone3.3199259.607156Kevin Appier3.4200160.787264Dwight Gooden3.1199161.297371Sid Fernandez3.0199862.337457Jerry Koosman3.4197062.357591Jerry Koosman2.6197163.727674Galen Cisco3.0196463.897740Jon Matlack4.1197663.907877Al Leiter2.9200164.607961Tom Glavine3.2200466.358078Bobby Jones2.9199867.368163Sid Fernandez3.2198968.548258Roger Craig3.4196268.638375Mike Pelfrey2.9200869.208487Bob Ojeda2.7198870.498592Jim McAndrew2.6197070.908676Tom Glavine2.9200572.878769Al Jackson3.1196274.628860Dwight Gooden3.3198875.258994Jae Seo2.5200375.339068Gary Gentry3.1196975.389188Sid Fernandez2.7198675.689296Glendon Rusch2.5200076.279373Jack Fisher3.0196676.679465Ron Darling3.1198877.639582Jerry Koosman2.8197780.959685Frank Viola2.7199185.689786Dwight Gooden2.7199086.179893Roger Craig2.6196390.779998Tom Seaver2.5198392.40100100Jack Fisher2.51965101.47 The top 100 Mets pitcher WAR seasons, in chronological order. IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR8258Roger Craig3.4196268.638769Al Jackson3.1196274.623842Carl Willey4.0196345.759893Roger Craig2.6196390.777674Galen Cisco3.0196463.89100100Jack Fisher2.51965101.475755Dennis Ribant3.5196653.819373Jack Fisher3.0196676.672613Tom Seaver6.4196739.22227Tom Seaver7.51968 37.07248Jerry Koosman6.8196838.77166Tom Seaver7.6196935.961710Jerry Koosman6.7196935.979068Gary Gentry3.1196975.382389Tug McGraw2.7196937.16IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR4715Tom Seaver6.0197048.447457Jerry Koosman3.4197062.358592Jim McAndrew2.6197070.90123Tom Seaver9.21971 31.12541Tug McGraw4.0197127.756380Ray Sadecki2.9197156.327591Jerry Koosman2.6197163.72209Jon Matlack6.7197236.423717Tom Seaver5.8197245.17IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR443Tug McGraw3.9197227.18 3446Jim McAndrew3.8197242.2892Tom Seaver9.51973 30.534021Jerry Koosman5.7197346.145433Jon Matlack4.6197352.614667George Stone3.1197347.74114Jon Matlack8.61974 30.853320Tom Seaver5.7197441.405326Jerry Koosman5.11974 51.96195Tom Seaver7.71975 36.41783Bob Apodaca2.8197530.244519Tom Seaver5.7197647.545632Jerry Koosman4.6197653.777740Jon Matlack4.1197663.906854Nino Espinosa3.5197757.149582Jerry Koosman2.8197780.951818Craig Swan5.7197836.375831Craig Swan4.6197954.645972Pat Zachry3.0198054.895566Craig Swan3.1198253.666299Ed Lynch2.5198255.731052Jesse Orosco3.6198330.569998Tom Seaver2.5198392.403124Dwight Gooden5.4198440.3721Dwight Gooden11.7198523.656435Ron Darling4.4198556.36IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR3950Sid Fernandez3.7198546.044128Bob Ojeda4.7198646.245130Ron Darling4.6198651.526734Dwight Gooden4.41986 56.829188Sid Fernandez2.7198675.681497Jesse Orosco2.5198632.404345Dwight Gooden3.8198747.282916David Cone5.8198839.898860Dwight Gooden3.3198875.259465Ron Darling3.1198877.637371Sid Fernandez3.0198862.338487Bob Ojeda2.7198870.49390Randy Myers2.6198826.158163Sid Fernandez3.2198968.542814Frank Viola6.3199039.636949David Cone3.7199057.219786Dwight Gooden2.7199086.176137David Cone4.2199155.407264Dwight Gooden3.1199161.299685Frank Viola2.7199185.682523Sid Fernandez5.5199239.037059David Cone3.3199259.606548Dwight Gooden3.7199356.403070Sid Fernandez3.0199339.894881Bret Saberhagen2.8199349.761525Bret Saberhagen5.2199434.101379Jason Isringhausen2.9199532.075039Rick Reed4.1199750.81611Al Leiter6.5199829.695238Rick Reed4.1199851.798078Bobby Jones2.9199867.36153Armando Benitez3.5199922.29IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR3627Al Leiter4.7200044.264429Mike Hampton4.6200047.32895Armando Benitez2.5200030.409296Glendon Rusch2.5200076.277156Kevin Appier3.4200160.787877Al Leiter2.9200164.604984Rick Reed2.7200149.886047Steve Trachsel3.7200355.326662Al Leiter3.2200356.468994Jae Seo2.5200375.3332 36Al Leiter4.2200441.357961Tom Glavine3.22200466.352722Pedro Martinez5.5200539.458676Tom Glavine2.9200572.872112Johan Santana6.4200836.618375Mike Pelfrey2.9200869.204251Johan Santana3.6200946.303544Johan Santana3.8201042.63

smg58 wrote: ... That being said, I think the Mets need Angel Pagan to be their starting centerfielder in 2011. I hope not. Angel Pagan should be platooned. He sucks as a right handed batter. Sucks.

If Pelf's slump was entirely attributable to pitch-tipping, it's a shame that no one picked up on that earlier. (No one on the Mets, that is --- the opposition was onto it.) Because if the 1st half Pelf was the real deal, the Mets would be in the thick of it if not for Pelf's streak of ugly starts.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/article/2010-08-10/mets-beltran-available-for-trade-after-clearing-waivers

The Future of the Mets Is Hazy and Expensive Reading the tea leaves and coming up with nothing By JOSH ALPER Alex Cora, freshly released by the Mets, went on the radio Monday and slammed the team for being dishonest with their fans. He said that they should just come clean and let everyone know that they are rebuilding with hopes of contending again in 2013 or 2014. For a guy who loses his cool when he hears people laughing, Cora certainly has a good sense of humor. The implication that getting rid of Cora somehow means that a team is less interested in winning now is funnier than the last few Will Ferrell movies. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/The-Future-of-the-Mets-Is-Hazy-and-Expensive-100340979.html ________ Cora cares about us fans. This wasn't a cheap shot by Mr. High Road, perhaps motivated by his recent dumping right before his vest was supposed to vest.

The top 100 Mets pitcher WAR seasons, then ranked according to IP/WAR. Or ... which Mets pitcher seasons might've generated the best Strat-O-Matic cards. An IP/WAR of 40 begins to approach dominance. Not surprisingly, seven of the top 10 IP/WAR seasons were turned in by relief pitchers, who generally pitch at a more intense pace than starters, given that they're not expected to throw more than 30-40 pitches per appearance, if even that many. IP/WAR RankWAR RankPitcher/TeamWARYEARIP/WAR153Armando Benitez3.5199922.2921Dwight Gooden11.7198523.65390Randy Myers2.6198826.15443Tug McGraw3.9197227.18541Tug McGraw4.0197127.75611Al Leiter6.5199829.69783Bob Apodaca2.8197530.24895Armando Benitez2.5200030.4092Tom Seaver9.51973 30.531052Jesse Orosco3.6198330.56114Jon Matlack8.61974 30.85123Tom Seaver9.21971 31.121379Jason Isringhausen2.9199532.07 1497Jesse Orosco2.5198632.401525Bret Saberhagen5.2199434.10166Tom Seaver7.6196935.96 1710Jerry Koosman6.7196935.971818Craig Swan5.7197836.37195Tom Seaver7.71975 36.41209Jon Matlack6.7197236.422112Johan Santana6.4200836.61227Tom Seaver7.51968 37.072389Tug McGraw2.7196937.16248Jerry Koosman6.8196838.772523Sid Fernandez5.5199239.032613Tom Seaver6.4196739.222722Pedro Martinez5.5200539.452814Frank Viola6.3199039.632916David Cone5.8198839.893070Sid Fernandez3.0199339.893124Dwight Gooden5.4198440.3732 36Al Leiter4.2200441.353320Tom Seaver5.7197441.403446Jim McAndrew3.8197242.283544Johan Santana3.8201042.633627Al Leiter4.7200044.263717Tom Seaver5.8197245.173842Carl Willey4.0196345.753950Sid Fernandez3.7198546.044021Jerry Koosman5.7197346.144128Bob Ojeda4.7198646.244251Johan Santana3.6200946.304345Dwight Gooden3.8198747.284429Mike Hampton4.6200047.324519Tom Seaver5.7197647.544667George Stone3.1197347.744715Tom Seaver6.0197048.444881Bret Saberhagen2.8199349.764984Rick Reed2.7200149.885039Rick Reed4.1199750.815130Ron Darling4.6198651.525238Rick Reed4.1199851.795326Jerry Koosman5.11974 51.965433Jon Matlack4.6197352.615566Craig Swan3.1198253.665632Jerry Koosman4.6197653.775755Dennis Ribant3.5196653.815831Craig Swan4.6197954.645972Pat Zachry3.0198054.896047Steve Trachsel3.7200355.326137David Cone4.2199155.406299Ed Lynch2.5198255.736380Ray Sadecki2.9197156.326435Ron Darling4.4198556.366548Dwight Gooden3.7199356.406662Al Leiter3.2200356.466734Dwight Gooden4.41986 56.826854Nino Espinosa3.5197757.146949David Cone3.7199057.217059David Cone3.3199259.607156Kevin Appier3.4200160.787264Dwight Gooden3.1199161.297371Sid Fernandez3.0199862.337457Jerry Koosman3.4197062.357591Jerry Koosman2.6197163.727674Galen Cisco3.0196463.897740Jon Matlack4.1197663.907877Al Leiter2.9200164.607961Tom Glavine3.2200466.358078Bobby Jones2.9199867.368163Sid Fernandez3.2198968.548258Roger Craig3.4196268.638375Mike Pelfrey2.9200869.208487Bob Ojeda2.7198870.498592Jim McAndrew2.6197070.908676Tom Glavine2.9200572.878769Al Jackson3.1196274.628860Dwight Gooden3.3198875.258994Jae Seo2.5200375.339068Gary Gentry3.1196975.389188Sid Fernandez2.7198675.689296Glendon Rusch2.5200076.279373Jack Fisher3.0196676.679465Ron Darling3.1198877.639582Jerry Koosman2.8197780.959685Frank Viola2.7199185.689786Dwight Gooden2.7199086.179893Roger Craig2.6196390.779998Tom Seaver2.5198392.40100100Jack Fisher2.51965101.47

His brand of clubhouse leadership led the Mets all the way to one game under .500.

So look at who's 26th in WAR with the 2d best IP/WAR rate on the chart..... WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR 1Josh Johnson/FLA6.125.412Roy Halladay/PHI5.533.643Adam Wainwright/STL5.232.564Tim Hudson/ATL5.031.335Ubaldo Jimenez/COL4.632.256Livan Hernandez/WAS3.938.807Johan Santana/NYM3.842.638Brett Myers/HOU3.643.619Chris Carpenter/STL3.448.2410Matt Cain/SF3.248.7511Tim Lincecum/SF3.247.4012Mat Latos/SD3.240.5213Yovani Gallardo/MIL3.044.1114Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI2.948.7415Barry Zito/SF2.951.9516Cole Hamels/PHI2.852.1417Clayton Kershaw/LA2.655.2618Jaime Garcia/STL2.646.5419Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD2.454.1720Johnny Cueto/CIN2.456.67.25R.A. Dickey/NYM2.148.5726Francisco Rodriguez/NYM2.027.67

Top 60 Mets pitcher WAR seasons in chronological order. Bonus: no superfluous blank lines preceding the chart below. If I didn't already post this chart, I'd ask the forum to guess the only Met season that would feature four top-60 Met pitcher WAR seasons. You can still guess before you look, below. RankPitcher/TeamWARYEAR58Roger Craig3.4196242Carl Willey4.0196355Dennis Ribant3.5196613Tom Seaver6.419677Tom Seaver7.519688Jerry Koosman6.819686Tom Seaver7.6196910Jerry Koosman6.7196915Tom Seaver6.0197057Jerry Koosman3.419703Tom Seaver9.2197141Tug McGraw4.019719Jon Matlack6.7197217Tom Seaver5.8197243Tug McGraw3.9197246Jim McAndrew3.819722Tom Seaver9.5197321Jerry Koosman5.7197333Jon Matlack4.619734Jon Matlack8.6197420Tom Seaver5.7197426Jerry Koosman5.119745Tom Seaver7.7197519Tom Seaver5.7197632Jerry Koosman4.6197640Jon Matlack4.1197654Nino Espinosa3.5197718Craig Swan5.7197831Craig Swan4.6197952Jesse Orosco3.6198324Dwight Gooden5.419841Dwight Gooden11.7198535Ron Darling4.4198550Sid Fernandez3.7198528Bob Ojeda4.7198630Ron Darling4.6198634Dwight Gooden4.4198645Dwight Gooden3.8198716David Cone5.8198860Dwight Gooden3.3198814Frank Viola6.3199049David Cone3.7199037David Cone4.2199123Sid Fernandez5.5199259David Cone3.3199248Dwight Gooden3.7199325Bret Saberhagen5.2199439Rick Reed4.1199711Al Leiter6.5199838Rick Reed4.1199853Armando Benitez3.5199927Al Leiter4.7200029Mike Hampton4.6200056Kevin Appier3.4200147Steve Trachsel3.7200336Al Leiter4.2200422Pedro Martinez5.5200512Johan Santana6.4200851Johan Santana3.6200944Johan Santana3.82010

Mets all time pitcher WAR seasons 26-60, up to date, including Johan's 2010 season (#44). Pound per pound per WAR, the Mets all time best pitching season might be Armando Benitez's 1999; he racked up a 3.5 WAR score in just 78 innings. Armando's dominant IP/WAR in 1999 was 22.29. Seaver (1967) is not the only Wes Westrum managed pitcher to crack the top 60. RankPitcher/TeamWARYEAR26Jerry Koosman5.1197427Al Leiter4.7200028Bob Ojeda4.7198629Mike Hampton4.6200030Ron Darling4.6198631Craig Swan4.6197932Jerry Koosman4.6197633Jon Matlack4.6197334Dwight Gooden4.4198635Ron Darling4.4198536Al Leiter4.2200437David Cone4.2199138Rick Reed4.1199839Rick Reed4.1199740Jon Matlack4.1197641Tug McGraw4.0197142Carl Willey4.0196343Tug McGraw3.9197244Johan Santana3.8201045Dwight Gooden3.8198746Jim McAndrew3.8197247Steve Trachsel3.7200348Dwight Gooden3.7199349David Cone3.7199050Sid Fernandez3.7198551Johan Santana3.6200952Jesse Orosco3.6198353Armando Benitez3.5199954Nino Espinosa3.5197755Dennis Ribant3.5196656Kevin Appier3.4200157Jerry Koosman3.4197058Roger Craig3.4196259David Cone3.3199260Dwight Gooden3.31988

batmagadanleadoff wrote: 2010 NL Pitcher WAR leaders, to date, (BR). R.A. Dickey is 6th in IP/WAR and is on pace to knock Johan/2009 off of the Mets top #50 (see post above) Johan/2010 might also knock Johan/2009 off of the top 50. But first, some blank lines. WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR 1Josh Johnson/FLA5.725.792Roy Halladay/PHI5.631.793Adam Wainwright/STL4.833.404Tim Hudson/ATL4.632.324Ubaldo Jimenez/COL4.632.256Brett Myers/HOU3.641.946Livan Hernandez/WAS3.640.098Chris Carpenter/STL3.546.869Johan Santana/NYM3.346.8710Tim Lincecum/SF3.247.4011Matt Cain/SF3.247.1912Yovani Gallardo/MIL3.140.7513Clayton Kershaw/LA3.045.8914Mat Latos/SD2.942.64 15Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI2.850.4816Barry Zito/SF2.753.21 17R.A. Dickey/NYM2.638.08 18Jaime Garcia/STL2.646.5419Cole Hamels/PHI2.555.6020Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD2.451.67 Updated. Johan Santana makes the biggest gain on the WAR chart, moving up two places and reducing his IP/WAR by about four innings. As of now, Santana's 2010 season ranks as the 44th all time best Mets pitcher WAR season. Teammate R.A. Dickey takes the worst hit in the NL pitcher WAR rankings, (2.6 to 2.1) dropping out of the top 20 and falling to 25th place. Dickey's IP/WAR increases by 10 innings. WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR 1Josh Johnson/FLA6.125.412Roy Halladay/PHI5.533.643Adam Wainwright/STL5.232.564Tim Hudson/ATL5.031.335Ubaldo Jimenez/COL4.632.256Livan Hernandez/WAS3.938.807Johan Santana/NYM3.842.638Brett Myers/HOU3.643.619Chris Carpenter/STL3.448.2410Matt Cain/SF3.248.7511Tim Lincecum/SF3.247.4012Mat Latos/SD3.240.5213Yovani Gallardo/MIL3.044.1114Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI2.948.7415Barry Zito/SF2.951.9516Cole Hamels/PHI2.852.1417Clayton Kershaw/LA2.655.2618Jaime Garcia/STL2.646.5419Ted Lilly/CHIC/LAD2.454.1720Johnny Cueto/CIN2.456.67.25R.A. Dickey/NYM2.148.57

Frayed Knot wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: And if he's supposed to be such a great manager, how come no one ever asked him to manage a team? Right, because active players tend to get asked to manage a lot these days. Just go ahead and be a literalist and ruin my sarcastic joke. Be that way. I don't care.

Seven Mets --- Dickey, Thole, Davis, Tejada, F-Mart, Hessman and Carter all began the season on the Mets AAA team. When's the last time that happened? Before September?