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Does anybody here remember the details surrounding the Mets recall of a specific team photo/calendar originally designated for sale to the public? Hint: Think Mackey Sasser and Frank Viola.

From Adam Rubin: Santana did not second-guess the Mets' handling of the situation, even though the wrong injury -- a pectoral strain -- originally was announced. But was it ever a pectoral strain? Did both the Mets and Santana know all along that the pitcher injured his shoulder and not his pec? From the Wall Street Journal: Now, according to the team, Mr. Santana has a tear of the anterior capsule of his left shoulder, an injury revealed earlier this week during an MRI at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan. Mr. Santana had last pitched on Sept. 2 in Atlanta, and anyone who was in the visiting clubhouse at Turner Field that night could see this coming. Manager Jerry Manuel, pitching coach Dan Warthen and Mr. Santana each had offered a different explanation for what had caused Mr. Santana to leave that game after five innings. The principals couldn't get their stories straight. Mr. Santana said he felt tightness in his left pectoral muscle but "felt fine" after seeing a team trainer. Mr. Warthen, characteristically blunt, said that Mr. Santana's shoulder "wasn't right" and that a doctor had examined him. And Mr. Manuel, in addressing the matter with reporters after the game, needed prompting from a team spokesman. "Arm or chest?" Mr. Manuel asked. "Chest," the spokesman replied. "The chest? Really?" Mr. Manuel said. "I don't know the anatomy very well." More from Rubin: "I don't know. I don't really know," Santana said about the timeline for his return during a news conference to discuss what has been diagnosed as a tear of the anterior capsule of his left shoulder, which will require surgery. "This is something that I was told is going to take time. I just have to wait and see. I think the most important thing is to be ready to be 100 percent whether it's April, whether it's May, July, October. Who knows? Time will tell." Of course, I have no idea when Santana will return. He hasn't even undergone surgery yet. But I'm ignoring the team's expectations for an April return from Santana because the team's priority is to sell tickets -- not to keep us fans accurately apprised. I wouldn't expect ownership to publically concede that Santana's recovery might, for example, take up to 12 months even if that was the most accurate prognosis: the team's decision not to pursue expensive free-agent talent for the 2011 season coupled with an admission that Santana might miss half of next season or more would likely erode next year's season ticket base. The Mets (and every other team) would rather mislead if they believed that honesty would hurt their gate.

More data. How average is K-Rod? What are the best rates? Is K-Rod average in the sense that every single reliever is at 82%, including the best and worst? How much better are the better relievers? Did I miss some other posts that I can't find? Thank you.

Eeeeep.

Dickey didn't say nuthin'. But I know what he wanted to say but kept to himself. So fuck him. Fuck you too. And Charlie Daniels.

Just checking to see if anybody here actually reads this thread anymore. That's the Port Ruppert Mundys, though.

He's still my favorite Met this season, but fuck R.A. Dickey on this one.

WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR1Roy Halladay/PHI6.732.992Josh Johnson/FLA6.329.153Tim Hudson/ATL5.734.744Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.633.995Adam Wainwright/STL5.337.806Brett Myers/HOU4.841.257Cole Hamels/PHI4.640.878Johan Santana/NYM4.643.269Mat Latos/SD4.436.9710Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI4.243.7311Clayton Kershaw/LA3.947.0112Chris Carpenter/STL3.952.4813Matt Cain/SF3.751.1714Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD3.349.1915Livan Hernandez/WAS3.258.1316Jaime Garcia/STL3.150.7517Brian Wilson/SF2.921.8418R.A. Dickey/NYM2.851.9019Jonathan Sanchez/SF2.858.8120Tim Lincecum/SF2.866.1921Johnny Cueto/CIN2.760.8622Ian Kennedy/ARI2.764.0823Claudio Guzman/LA2.766.8124Anibal Sanchez/FLA2.663.2127Billy Wagner/ATL2.325.2230K-Rod/NYM2.226.0634Heath Bell/SD2.127.7840Brandon Lyon/HOU1.935.2641Ross Ohlendorf/PITT1.957.0242Barry Zito/SF1.994.9143Chico Mecoatl/PRP1.899.9352Stephen Strasburg/WASH1.545.3357Mike Pelfrey/NYM1.6105.2159Madison Bumgarner/SF1.557.5665Nelson Figueroa/HOU1.350.2679Hisanori Takahashi/NYM1.0110.0080Jonathon Niese/NYM1.0154.33

I said this would be a quick quiz. Game over.

Feliciano, Reyes, Wright and Beltran are your four present day Mets who have been with the team the longest. Who are the next two Mets? The winning poster must identify both Mets in the same post.

With yesterday's romp win over the Cubbies, the Mets have almost quadrupled their chances of winning the division. Before yesterday: 212,766 to 1 Today: 53,763 to 1 To put the Mets chances into perspective, if we could replay the final four weeks of this season over and over continuously, each calendar year would yield 13 replays (52 weeks/4 weeks remaining). At 53,763 to 1, the Mets would win their division once every 4,135 years.

I didn't know there was a day game today. So how are we doing?

MFS62 wrote: There must be a lot of work going into those charts. But, how is all that information about players, and years, long past going to help me as General Magager (the title of the thread)? But wasn't this thread was going to be about what we would do to make the club better? Later The original charts took some time. The updates aren't nearly as time-consuming as you suspect. I wrote the code in MS Word and saved it. I also saved any entries for pitchers that dropped out of the top 20 (e.g. Yovani Gallardo), should they drop back in. So updating the charts is simply a matter of shuffling the order of the entries and updating some stats. I don't need to write any more code.

batting gloves .... The Hall has requested several items this season from around the majors. They have the spikes Dallas Braden wore during his perfect game, the cap Roy Halladay wore for his perfecto, the bat Jason Kubel used to hit the first home run at Target Field, the cap Mike Leake wore in his major league debut, the cap Ubaldo Jimenez wore for his no-hitter and the batting gloves Jose Reyes wore in the 20-inning game between the Mets and Cardinals. The box score

Looks like Ollie could still get off of that hook. He might. But over the past three weeks, Ollie has solidified his status as the lone Met pitcher who owns two of the 20 worst WAR seasons in Mets history. His 2010 season is now the 18th worst, up (or down) from 20th worst. Ollie's current contract has to be in the running for worst ever given to a Met: RankPitcherWARYEARIP/WAR1Paul Wilson-2.81996-53.212Craig Anderson-2.01962-65.673Randy Jones-1.81981-32.964Doug Sisk-1.71985-42.945Jim McAndrew-1.71973-47.256Aaron Heilman-1.52003-43.557Cal Koonce-1.51969-55.338Pete Schourek-1.51993-85.559Jay Hook-1.51963-101.7810Oliver Perez-1.42009-47.1411Doug Henry-1.41996-53.5712Mike Bruhert-1.41978-95.4813Mike Scott-1.41982-105.0014Chuck Estrada-1.31967-16.9215Calvin Schiraldi-1.31985-20.2616Jason Isringhausen-1.31997-22.8217Rich Rodriguez-1.32000-28.4618Oliver Perez-1.32010-33.8519Larry Bearnarth-1.31965-46.6720George Stone-1.31974-59.23

Johan Santana's making his move on this year's elite pitchers .... Ryan Dempster cracks the top 20 ...... K-Rod still packs a mean wallop WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR1Josh Johnson/FLA6.125.412Roy Halladay/PHI5.732.463Adam Wainwright/STL5.631.494Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.031.075Tim Hudson/ATL5.031.336Johan Santana/NYM4.438.867Livan Hernandez/WAS4.039.428Chris Carpenter/STL3.647.59Brett Myers/HOU3.544.8610Matt Cain/SF3.447.6511Mat Latos/SD3.240.5212Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI3.246.3513Yovani Gallardo/MIL3.044.1114Cole Hamels/PHI3.048.6715Tim Lincecum/SF2.953.6816Barry Zito/SF2.954.1417Clayton Kershaw/LA2.853.6918Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD2.552.0019Ryan Dempster/CHI2.562.9320Jaime Garcia/STL2.452.64.26K-Rod/NYM2.126.83.28R.A. Dickey/NYM2.148.57 updated through last night: WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR 1Josh Johnson/FLA5.727.852Roy Halladay/PHI5.732.463Tim Hudson/ATL5.529.944Adam Wainwright/STL5.532.065Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.031.076Johan Santana/NYM4.438.867Livan Hernandez/WAS4.039.428Brett Myers/HOU3.843.169Chris Carpenter/STL3.548.8610Matt Cain/SF3.349.0911Cole Hamels/PHI3.346.6712Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI3.246.3513Mat Latos/SD3.141.8314Yovani Gallardo/MIL3.046.4415Barry Zito/SF3.052.3316Tim Lincecum/SF2.953.6817Clayton Kershaw/LA2.853.6918R.A. Dickey/NYM2.642.69 19Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD2.552.0020Ryan Dempster/CHI2.562.93.27K-Rod/NYM2.126.83 Updated through 8/18. No changes in the top 20. Santana drops to 7th. Lincecum clings. WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR1Josh Johnson/FLA6.027.782Roy Halladay/PHI6.032.173Tim Hudson/ATL5.630.654Adam Wainwright/STL5.632.745Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.231.416Livan Hernandez/WAS4.338.297Johan Santana/NYM4.242.628Brett Myers/HOU3.943.859Chris Carpenter/STL3.452.0610Mat Latos/SD3.341.1111Clayton Kershaw/LA3.347.6812Matt Cain/SF3.350.9113Cole Hamels/PHI3.248.1314Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI3.248.5415Barry Zito/SF3.054.0016Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD2.946.9017Yovani Gallardo/MIL2.948.0518R.A. Dickey/NYM2.842.6219Ryan Dempster/CHI2.760.7420Tim Lincecum/SF2.563.73.27K-Rod/NYM2.127.30. 37Jonathon Niese/NYM1.873.89 Updated through games of 8/24. The riveting news: Lincecum and Gallardo are out of the top 20; Jaime Garcia and Fla's Anibal Sanchez are in. Memorize the chart. Quiz tomorrow. WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR1Roy Halladay/PHI6.630.302Josh Johnson/FLA5.829.603Tim Hudson/ATL5.532.304Adam Wainwright/STL5.534.615Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.232.566Johan Santana/NYM4.343.497Brett Myers/HOU4.242.388Livan Hernandez/WAS3.844.479Chris Carpenter/STL3.749.8210Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI3.645.0911Matt Cain/SF3.648.89 12Mat Latos/SD3.540.7613Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD3.543.2414Clayton Kershaw/LA3.448.3315Cole Hamels/PHI3.251.8816Ryan Dempster/CHI3.057.3317Jaime Garcia/STL2.948.7418R.A. Dickey/NYM2.746.7919Anibal Sanchez/FLA2.754.9420Barry Zito/SF2.663.72.27K-Rod/NYM2.127.30.36Jonathon Niese/NYM1.972.63.44Mike Pelfrey/NYM1.789.22.48Stephen Strasburg/WASH1.642.50 Back by popular demand. (through 8/29) Zito the Giant is out; Wilson the Giant is in. Pelfrey moves up 16 spots. WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR1Roy Halladay/PHI6.531.852Josh Johnson/FLA6.129.133Tim Hudson/ATL5.931.304Adam Wainwright/STL5.535.525Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.432.656Brett Myers/HOU4.541.117Johan Santana/NYM4.345.128Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI3.943.689Matt Cain/SF3.946.7510Mat Latos/SD3.839.3911Clayton Kershaw/LA3.647.3112Cole Hamels/PHI3.648.3313Livan Hernandez/WAS3.648.7014Chris Carpenter/STL3.652.8715Ryan Dempster/CHI3.551.1416Jaime Garcia/STL3.344.4417R.A. Dickey/NYM3.044.4418Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD3.051.7819Brian Wilson/SF2.622.0520Anibal Sanchez/FLA2.658.97.27K-Rod/NYM2.226.0628Mike Pelfrey/NYM2.272.58.49Jonathon Niese/NYM1.689.79.54Stephen Strasburg/WASH1.545.33 Updated through games of 9/3/10. Lincecum rejoins the top 20 at the expense of our own R.A. Dickey, whose last start was his worst in more than two years and easily, Dickey's worst start as a knuckleballer and as a Met. Johan regains the 6th spot with a strong though injury shortened outing. Still, the gap between Santana and this year's elite NL pitchers is considerable, if not mathematically insurmountable. WAR RankPitcher/TeamWARIP/WAR1Roy Halladay/PHI6.632.422Josh Johnson/FLA6.129.133Tim Hudson/ATL5.833.054Ubaldo Jimenez/COL5.732.345Adam Wainwright/STL5.535.526Johan Santana/NYM4.643.267Brett Myers/HOU4.542.448Roy Oswalt/HOU-PHI4.341.089Cole Hamels/PHI4.144.1510Mat Latos/SD4.038.9211Matt Cain/SF4.047.9812Clayton Kershaw/LA3.747.6613Chris Carpenter/STL3.654.8114Jaime Garcia/STL3.543.8115Ted Lilly/CHIC-LAD3.150.1116Livan Hernandez/WAS3.157.9617Anibal Sanchez/FLA3.053.4418Ryan Dempster/CHI3.060.6719Tim Lincecum/SF2.863.8120Brian Wilson/SF2.722.35.23R.A. Dickey/NYM2.653.59.31K-Rod/NYM2.226.06 .35Mike Pelfrey/NYM2.178.41.40Heath Bell/SD1.830.93.65Nelson Figueroa/HOU1.250.28.68Aaron Heilman/ARI1.156.67.71Jonathon Niese/NYM1.1134.85

TransMonk wrote: I don't think Fracoeur was over-hyped by anyone other than Jerry Manuel. Among other things, Francoeur was one of three or four players on his own gigantic subway poster in this year's preseason "We Believe" ad campaign. Frenchy was literally the poster boy for the franchise. His image was selected for display on an oversized 2010 Topps baseball card at CF for the installation where Mets history is represented by one Topps Mets card from every season of the team's existence.

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, just address real human beings instead of straw men, would you please? I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you the Straw Man?

I'm surprised at how similar Frenchy and Rey were ... two dreadful liabilities that nevertheless, played all the time ... perhaps the two most over-hyped Mets of the last 15 or 20 years ... hurting more than helping the cause with every plate appearance they accumulated though you would never know it from the Orwellian MetSpeak churned out by the organization on a daily basis in defense of these black holes ... Mets marketing at its most contrived and insulting.

Frenchy's the Rey Ordonez of right fielders. This is not a compliment.

Edgy DC wrote: Is that worth selling out 100,000s of thousands of ticket buyers ..... I don't know what it's worth. But what I do know is that ownership's interests aren't perfectly aligned with my interests as a fan. So while I measure the Mets success by placing great emphasis on their on the field success, the Wilpons primary concern might be the bottom line on the team's profit and loss statement. There might be a considerable amount of overlap in our interests, but there are also irreconcilable conflicts. I know that the proper thing to say, the politically correct stance to take, openly, is to declare that the team plays to win each and every game as if the World Series crown were at stake. But secretly, I don't see what's so wrong about working the system to your own advantage. That's also competing. And if my team were to decide that it would be competitively advantageous to tank a few games to draft the next A-Rod, or Griffey, Jr. or the black version of Ted Williams, I wouldn't complain.

A woman and a duck walk into a bar. The bartender says: "Where'd you get the pig." The woman explains: "That's not a pig, that's a duck." So the bartender replies: "I was talking to the duck."

Number 6 wrote: This thread is depressing. So is not having Frenchy to kick around anymore.

There's the Met way of doing things, and the right way: * Texas is not asking or expecting Francoeur to be an everyday player and a savior. This is about adding a piece to put out there against left-handed pitching and someone who is a good defender. Francoeur, going into Tuesday's game, has hit .278 (in 97 at-bats) against left-handed pitching this season with three homers and 12 RBI.