batmagadanleadoff wrote: Before the trade, Seaver was a Met for 10 full seasons and about half of another. And he was a top flight elite pitcher in every one of those seasons but '74. And even in his sciatic plagued '74 season with the mere mortal 11-11 WL record, he led the league in K/BB ratio. Even his split '77 Mets half season was among baseball's best. His combined '77 season was the NL's second best, only behind Candelaria's, but better than the undeserving Cy Young award winning Steve Carlton's, who led the league in wins while pitching for a playoff team, abbout 85% of the recipe for a Cy Young award back then. I revisited Seaver's '74 season after writing this post above. Mets fan of that era recognize that season as sticking out like a sore thumb -- or hip -- during Seaver's prime years, especially given his pedestrian 11-11 WL record. Seaver himself was famously disappointed after that year's campaign, plagued by hip and back pain throughout. Seaver's 1974 was sandwiched by Cy Young award winning seasons in the years just before and after. When I think of Mets pitching and 1974, the first thing that comes to mind is Matlack's brilliant Cy Young caliber season -- he led the NL in pitcher WAR comfortably . Matlack's '74 was one of the best pitching seasons turned in by a Met starter ever. When people talk about the brilliant Met pitching of that era and how they needed to throw shutouts to get a win, Matlack, in 1974, might be the poster boy for that rule. In fact, he led the league in shutouts that year with nine -- yet still finished with a 13-15 losing record. -- nine out of his 13 wins were shutouts! But back to Seaver, his '74 season was all-star caliber by just about every single measure, except W-L record. He was 4th in pitcher WAR; 8th in WHIP; 7th in H/9 inn. Seaver led the league in K/9 inn. and K/BB ratio. He struck out over 200 batters, was third in shutouts and finished among the top 10 in several esoteric BBRef rate stats that, no doubt, didn't exist in '74. Seaver, in '74 was more than all star caliber. He deserved to be on the fringes of Cy Young consideration, but wouldn't have picked up any Cy votes no matter how sophisticated the voters were because they only voted for the top three and Seaver, though undoubtedly a top flight pitcher in '74, wasn't one of the top three. Koosman also finished in the top 10 in pitcher WAR in the NL in '74, the third Mets pitcher to do so. Had the Mets held onto ERA champ and top 10 finisher in pitcher WAR Buzz Capra, and had Capra pitched as well for the Mets as he did for the Braves that season, the Mets would have had one of the most dominant starting staffs in post WWII baseball history. What was it about those '74 Mets that Seaver and Matlack could pitch so brilliantly yet finish with such mediocre WL records? Did they have eight Rey Ordonez's in their lineup?