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I [CROSSOUT]wonder if[/CROSSOUT] hope that the Mets can use this incident to void the entire remainder of his contract

I think being linked publicly to Ozuna might be an attempt to create a bit of leverage with Springer. Springer has to know that we have few options without him, and that we have money to spend. I think everybody's waiting for Cohen and the Mets to make a major move so as to "set the market" and let everybody else know where they stand and what to demand.

I've posted here several times here over the years about just how disappointed I was when the Mets re-signed David Wright to a huge contract after the 2012 season. I thought the Mets were in such horrible shape going into 2013, that they were years away from contending and that that they wouldn't have won half their games the following season even if Wright were to win the NL MVP award. I thought that Wright was the very last player on the 2013 roster that the Mets should've had under contract, especially given Wright's price tag and the Mets wrecked finances, and that with Wright apparently still in peak form and no signs then of the injuries that would eventually derail and ultimately end his career, I figured that Sandy Alderson would've gotten a haul of prospects in a Wright trade. I also speculated that Alderson probably thought along these lines and that the Wright re-signing was the product of the usual Wilpon meddling and their fear of the press and fan reaction. Today I feel somewhat vindicated: The Mets awarded long-term extensions to David Wright and eventually to Yoenis Cespedes. One Alderson ally described the moves as "pushed more by ownership as opposed to baseball ops," and Alderson himself spoke of both moves as important symbols to the fan base and the organization's "brand." However, both proved to be a strain on the budget, limiting the leeway to make other moves. From ‘There's unfinished business': Why Sandy Alderson came back to the Mets https://theathletic.com/2197323/2020/11/17/sandy-alderson-mets/https://theathletic.com/2197323/2020/11/17/sandy-alderson-mets/

I can't believe that we're almost three weeks into the free agency signing period and MLB still hasn't announced whether or not there'll be a DH next season.

Edgy MD wrote: He declared an intention to win a championship in three-five years. That's fine, but isn't that just setting a low bar? That goal doesn't move my needle, at all. And if Cohen was serious about that and not just hyping, I'd say it's crazy talk, because as far as I'm concerned, it's all one big pot luck crap shoot once the playoffs start. Not that it can't happen. Now if the Mets make the playoffs for the next five straight years, then they'll have as good a shot as any other team to bring home the trophy in the next five years. First place finishes are where it's at and I took Cohen's presser to mean he wants consistently strong seasons. Just like the other teams that play in America's biggest markets- -- Dodgers and Yankees.

If losing Davis means gaining Springer and possibly Realmuto, I can live with that all life long. The guy I hope we don't lose is Dom Smith. I'm really liking that guy and while I'm not about to make any kind of prediction, it wouldn't surprise me if Dom ends up having a better career than Alonso. I'm not predicting or even laying any odds on that. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be so far-fetched.

Surprised at Big Mac vote. He's a Mc not aMac and this place's OCD usually wouldn't stand for such hooey lol. McDonald's is also a Mc -- not a Mac. [FIMG=333]https://logos-world.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/McDonalds-Emblem.png[/FIMG] So if Big Mac works for McDonald's, I guess it works for McNeil, too.

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This is an excerpt from a Sports Illustrated piece by Alexander Wolff on his childhood experience collecting the autographs of the 1969 Mets, and specifically, Tommie Agee's Hancock, which was the most elusive. I've read it several times and I'm certain that I once posted the article to this forum. The Les Rohr comment is the line I most remember from the piece. I would never trade my Kevin Collins, though the Mets did—had to, that June, to the Expos, along with Steve Renko and a couple of minor league pitchers—for Donn Clendenon, the righthanded power hitter they so desperately needed. I had to have the coaches, too: From Rube Walker, the pitching coach, to Joe Pignatano, cultivator of tomato plants in the bullpen. Card collecting had also alerted me to a problem attending the task of set completion. The cards in Topps' sixth and seventh series always appeared on store shelves in my area in late summer, when they would barely get in circulation before being chased from the shelves by football cards. The analogous hurdle for the autograph collector came when the Triple A season ended and farmhands came up. There was little time to collect those September call-ups from Tidewater and Memphis, but they belonged in the metal box, too. I had to scramble to get Bob Johnson's autograph, as well as Jim Gosger's. The signatures of Bob Heise and Jesse Hudson. And Les Rohr. Les Rohr is right in front of Nolan Ryan in the metal box. Though he appeared in only one game that season, giving up five hits, a walk and three earned runs in one and one third innings (an ERA of 20.25), Rohr is just as essential to me as Ryan. His is a minimalist name—Les is Rohr—and a rendering of that name is all he sent me. Some of the other September Mets, new to the majors and likely intrigued by fans' solicitations, seemed to want to do more than merely sign. They wanted to engage in dialogue. https://vault.si.com/vault/1986/09/15/mets-autographshttps://vault.si.com/vault/1986/09/15/mets-autographs

This card comes up on a Les Rohr google image search. It's Zvon's. He colorized a b&w Rohr photo. (Nice job!) The Shea background is from another source -- both images mishmashed into one baseball card. I know this to be true because I'm familiar with the b&w Rohr photo that was the source for the Z card. [FIMG=333]https://i.pinimg.com/564x/99/c7/43/99c7432095cf954cf5af4ab64828bc96.jpg[/FIMG] _______________ Typewriter Chewing Gum - Les Rohr in memoriam: [FIMG=333]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50591878208_7b7d78aacf_o.png[/FIMG]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I'm fine trading for Lindor but this Lindnor character batmags is talking about is a damn imposter Yeah, I dunno what's going on. I also misspelled Ossoff and Perdue in the other forum. I'm very accurate with name spellings and if I screw up a name, it's almost guaranteed to be a typo. But not these. Maybe I'm drunk with joy over Steve Cohen taking over here.

Edgy MD wrote: Lindor's not a free agent. Obviously. They'll have to sign Lindor after they trade for him. Frayed Knot wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Lindor's not a free agent Even if we repeat it often enough here that he is? Oh please, ferchrissakes, already. You got me again. Happy? /rollseyes As if the zillion posts I've written on Lindor over the past two days isn't proof enough that I know Lindor's not a free agent this year -- including the first post where I wrote that I'd trade Rosario and Gimenez for Lindor. Why would I support that trade if I thought Lindor was a FA?

Edgy MD wrote: Lindor's not a free agent. Obviously. They'll have to sign Lindor after they trade for him.

Frayed Knot wrote: ALL spending has a limit. It's just that not all limits are as limiting as others. Where this winter puts the Mets in at least a theoretical advantage is that most clubs look to be tapped out on their budgets on account of Covid losses while uncle Stevie doesn't have that around his neck -- well, as a minority partner, he likely had to kick some money into the pot to cover shortfalls but not to the degree that other owners did in 2020 -- so he can be spending while others tighten. That shouldn't mean it's a good time to start tossing it around like a drunken sailor on shore leave, but it's certainly a better position to be in than one with loans, Madoff clawbacks, and other deficits over your head. Ok, but what is the limit? maybe there is a theoretical limit but that limit could be 50 million higher than the Dodgers and therefore not constitute any sort of practical limit. The only "issue" with Lindor is the talent cost to acquire him What a crazy new world we're in when we're in so much agreement lately. Yeah, this whole "woe is me, but the budget" thing is ridiculous. And like it's their money that Cohen's gonna spend. It's like a half a step removed from someone saying that the Mets shouldn't sign Lindnor if they can't afford him. I'll say this: whatever budget there is or is gonna be, assuming there even is one, is gonna be totally discretionary and self-imposed. It won't be based on some actual external financial constraint. Cohen could spend $300M on payroll, obliterating whatever the MLB payroll record is, without blinking an eyeball, if that's what he wants to do.

=MFS62 post_id=50471 time=1605138450 user_id=60] From Associated Press: Four players declined qualifying offers at the 5 p.m. EST deadline: right-hander Trevor Bauer from Cincinnati, outfielder George Springer from Houston, second baseman DJ LeMahieu from the New York Yankees and catcher J.T. Realmuto from Philadelphia.

Edgy MD wrote: But I'm good with the Springer/McCann/Stroman priority system. Why McCann and not Realmuto, who's the best catcher in baseball?

Frayed Knot wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=50462 time=1605132570 user_id=68] So we shouldn't pursue Lindnor because his contract might break the 2021 budget and thus prevent the Mets from filling other needs. Didn't say anything even resembling that.

So we shouldn't pursue Lindnor because his contract might break the 2021 budget and thus prevent the Mets from filling other needs. That's all master-of-the-obvious stuff, not to mention vague and nebulous. But I suppose I could get behind that thinking, especially if I knew what the actual Mets budget's going to be and what it's gonna take to sign Lindnor. Maybe youse can tell me what those budgetary boundaries are, because I don't know what they are. All I know is that the Mets now have an owner that could've bought the Mets three of four times over. I might be crazy, but I'm gonna focus on the acquisition, and not the cost. Youse can worry about the budget. Here are a couple of other reasons why I'd be against the Mets pursuing Lindnor: 1. If Lindnor goes out and has a fatal heart attack the day after signing his new Mets contract. In that case, I wouldn't recommend that the Mets pursue Lindnor.; 2. If after signing his new Mets contract, Lindnor ditches baseball altogether and decides to become a French Horn playing monk roaming the Tibetan mountainside barefoot in search of the meaning of life; 3. If Steve Cohen goes bankrupt tomorrow.

Edgy MD wrote: Indeed, and the deep shortstop market.... I don't know about a deep shortstop market but I can thiink of only one multiple Gold Glove winning, .300 hitting shortstop with three top-10 and one second-10 MVP award finishes who topped 30 home runs in each of the last three 162 game seasons and who hasn't even reached his chronological prime yet.

I think that signing Lindnor will be the easier part. If the Yankees can give Stanton the biggest contract ever and then give Cole the biggest contract ever, and then carry both of those contracts simultaneously, then Steve Cohen, who can buy out the Steinbrenners three or four times over, can do the same. The harder part will be trading for Lindnor. That's where the Mets could have stiff competition. The Yankees, for one example, are loaded with prospects and tradeable chips. The question is whether those other teams with the primo trade bait can foot Lindnor's long term bill.

=smg58 post_id=50386 time=1605055873 user_id=62] ... I'd be more interested in a pitcher of comparable value for the same price tag, because the need is greater. I wouldn't rule it out necessarily, but it's not my plan A.

Frayed Knot wrote: If you want to argue for a trade this off-season involving Lindor on the assumption that he's a lock to sign a year and that some of your more tradable chips won't be needed for other spots, then do that. I'm certain that that's precisely what I've been doing all thread long. Frayed Knot wrote: But otherwise you're arguing against points that aren't being made here, in opposition to an owner who no longer owns, and for signings that either couldn't then (Realmuto) or can't now (Lindor) be made. So lemme get this straight. We have this Francisco Lindor thread. And all of the talk before I ever appeared here centered around whether the Mets should or shouldn't pursue Lindnor. But ... What are you saying? That I'm not allowed to chime in? That Edgy's free to opine that he's against it. But I can't put my two cents in here in favor of acquiring Lindnor? Is that what you're saying? That Nomar's free to opine that he's against giving up both Rosario and Gimenez for Lindnor but that I'm not permitted to respond that with Lindnor, they're both expendable and on top that, that I think Rosario sucks anyways? Is that what you're saying? And that I can't post here because I wished the Mets signed Realmuto two years ago? And the Wilpons. I'm opposing the Wilpons in this thread? Where? They're fucking gone. What do the Wilpons have to do with my posts in this thread? You brought up the Wilpons to use against me in this thread. You know, I once opined, going into the 2019 season, that Josh Donaldson was probably washed up. I was wrong. Are you going to hold that against me in this thread, too? And why wouldn't the Mets be able to sign Lindnor? Steve Cohen has more money than the combined wealth of MLB's next three richest owners. Plus, if the Mets pursue Lindnor, Sandy gets on the phone with Lindnor's agent to find out what it'll take which is what every team in every sport does.

Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him?? In my fantasy world, Lindnor signs with the Mets. That's a no-brainer. I'm not talking risk of a one-year rental. Then that's a question for next winter. In the meantime, the topic being discussed here was dealing Rosario + Gimenez + ??? for him this winter specifically as a one-year rental because there's no other way but a trade to get him right now. And Realmuto and Springer are free agents. It won't take any trade capital to get those two. Just money, which Cohen has lotsa. Which is again not what's being discussed or is something anyone is disputing. It's like you're arguing with ghosts just so you'll have someone to disagree with. The only reason I even brought up Realmuto is that, like you seem to be doing with Lindor here, you've said multiple times that the cheap-ass Wilpons should have signed him two years ago ignoring the fact that he wasn't available for signing until around two weeks ago. Uh, no! I'm not arguing with ghosts and I'm not moving the goalposts or making irrelevant points. When one poster criticizes a potential Lindnor acquisition on grounds that the Mets need to fill other positions first, specifically a catcher --- and another poster cites that we need that trade capital to acquire other positions of greater need, it's fair game for me to remind everyone that Realmuto, among others, are free agents that won't require that the Mets use up their finite trade chips on. And what any of this has to do with the Mets failure to get Realmuto two years ago, I have no idea. And as to the Mets being able to sign Lindnor to their own contract after acquiring him, I'd say that the odds of that happening are about 100% at this moment in time, with a brand new owner with money coming out of his whatever and looking to make a splash.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Steve says he'll be somewhat disappointed if there's no World Series win in the next three to five years. That's ballsy.

Frayed Knot wrote: You keep discussing this as if there aren't players involved, you did the same w/Realmuto over the past two years. No one is disputing that Lindor would be an upgrade or that our new friend Stevie won't be able to afford him. The issues are: because he's only signed thru 2021, and because there are bigger weaknesses with less depth than SS, is this the best place to spend the chips it would take to get him?? In my fantasy world, Lindnor signs with the Mets. That's a no-brainer. I'm not talking risk of a one-year rental. And Realmuto and Springer are free agents. It won't take any trade capital to get those two. Just money, which Cohen has lotsa.