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Edgy MD wrote: Yes a player can and does accrue service time from partial seasons which can and do combine with each other. A guy who gets 60 days each of his first three years and then plays five full seasons has six seasons of service time under his belt, and is eligible to become a free agent if his contract has expired. Makes perfect sense. Can you find a source, though?

Of course it's a cap. Nobody's suggesting that a player can accumulate more than one year's worth of service time in a given season. The issue is whether a player can combine partial seasons of service time. Every internet source I've come across indicates that he can't.

Frayed Knot wrote: A player is eligible for free agency after accumulating six years of service time -- that is six years of service time either on the active 26 man roster or on the IL. A player is credited with one day of service time for each day that he is either on the active roster or on the IL. A player is credited with a year of service when he accumulates at least 172 days of service time in a given year or season. A season typically has about 190 days, or something close to that number. So keeping Acuna in Syracuse for about three weeks this year will prevent him from gaining one year of service time this season. This would have nothing to do with "making up" for Acuna's time on the active roster in 2024. The few weeks Acuna spent with the Mets in late September of that season was not enough to give Acuna a year of service time. And Acuna's 2024 service time does not carry over into the next year or any other year for purposes of calculating service time for free agency eligibility. A player who has half a year of service time in one season and half a year of service time in another season cannot combine those two half years to give himself one full year's worth of service time for the purposes of calculating free agency eligibility. The highlighted part isn't accurate. Not sure where you got your info but I suspect what you may be misinterpreting is that a player needs 172 ML service days within one season to get credit for a full year, but that doesn't mean he gets no service time if he falls short of that. Pieces of seasons CAN add up to a whole but those pieces need to total to the whole whole (so to speak). iow, the partials must add up to an actual full season (185-ish) where as 172 is only sufficient if achieved within one season. ex: Mark Vientos has yet to spend a full season on a ML roster* but currently has more than one and a half years (One + 118 days) of ML service time and is therefore on pace for FA-gency after the 2029 season (the one+ year he already has plus '25, '26, '27, '28, and '29) assuming he's up for good now. Contrast this to Jackson Holliday and his 78 days of ML time which puts him on the post-2030 season FA list along with Luisangel and his 16 days. * < one month in '22; didn't come up until mid-May in '23 and then later was sent down for about a month; and wasn't up permanently until mid-May in '24 So then there is carryover from one season to the other. That makes more sense, like Buck already pointed out. Otherwise, (like I wrote earlier) a team could delay a player's free agency for many, many years. I got my info from every internet source I checked. Every single one of those sources said that one year of service time equals 172 days of active roster or IL time combined in one given season. But if a player may carry-over service time from one season to another season, then the phrase "in one given season" is superfluous and also confusing. Here is the explanation for how service time is calculated from MLB's own web site: Excerpt: A player is deemed to have reached "one year" of Major League service upon accruing 172 days in a given year. https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/service-timehttps://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/service-time If a player is, for example, allowed to combine two separate half seasons worth of service time to establish one year of service time, then MLB's wording of "in a given year" shouldn't be there. ________ OE: (15 minutes later): As a follow-up to my post of just above, according to Wikipedia: If a player is on the major league roster for 171 or fewer days, they do not earn a year of service time, and partial years cannot be combined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_time_manipulationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_time_manipulation

Nobody's really answered the original question, so here goes: I may be clinging to an outmoded notion of how teams treat their rookies, but I wonder if the Mets are committed to sending Acuna to Syracuse for a month or so to make up for the month or so that they called him up at the end of 2024, in order to give themselves an extra year of locking up his services, that is, delaying his potential free agency by a year if he lacks the service time at the MLB level. Is this still how the system operates? Yes, the Mets can delay Acuna's free agency eligibility by an entire season or calendar year by keeping him at AAA this season for a few weeks. If so, Acuna's Syracuse stint need not occur at the beginning of the 2025 season, but instead, can occur at any point in the season. Also, his late 2024 call-up (or cup of coffee) plays no part in this calculation. A player is eligible for free agency after accumulating six years of service time -- that is six years of service time either on the active 26 man roster or on the IL. A player is credited with one day of service time for each day that he is either on the active roster or on the IL. A player is credited with a year of service when he accumulates at least 172 days of service time in a given year or season. A season typically has about 190 days, or something close to that number. So keeping Acuna in Syracuse for about three weeks this year will prevent him from gaining one year of service time this season. This would have nothing to do with "making up" for Acuna's time on the active roster in 2024. The few weeks Acuna spent with the Mets in late September of that season was not enough to give Acuna a year of service time. And Acuna's 2024 service time does not carry over into the next year or any other year for purposes of calculating service time for free agency eligibility. A player who has half a year of service time in one season and half a year of service time in another season cannot combine those two half years to give himself one full year's worth of service time for the purposes of calculating free agency eligibility. In theory, a team can delay a player's free agency practically in perpetuity if it sends that player to AAA for a few weeks every single season (so long as that player has options). Not so sure how the union and the fans would react though, especially if that player was a star. Your last paragraph is the hint that your middle paragraph is wrong. The 172 is simply the max. Presumably there was some sort of agreement, with expanded rosters and minor leagues ending earlier, designed to keep teams eliminated 9/10 from just demoting a guy to game the system. You could also option the guy in the middle of the year for a few months, every year. But that's why there are option years, pretty soon you won't be able to do that, and if you want to send him down he becomes a free agent earlier. They would need to keep Luis down for roughly 30 days. ZiPS is highest on him, but even they only project 136 games. (no one projects him to be a good hitter btw) This is also his last option year. They can keep him down now, but next year they have to play him. I agree with you. My last paragraph suggests an absurd loophole by which ownership can really abuse a player's service time. In fact, that loophole never even occurred to me until I was in the midst of writing my prior post in this thread and thinking the post all the way through. And so I checked, and double-checked and then checked again. That still seems to be the rule. One year of service time is still 172 days in a single season. And there's no carry-over or combining of service time from multiple seasons. I haven't found any changes to the rule. Have you? If so, post a link.

Nobody's really answered the original question, so here goes: I may be clinging to an outmoded notion of how teams treat their rookies, but I wonder if the Mets are committed to sending Acuna to Syracuse for a month or so to make up for the month or so that they called him up at the end of 2024, in order to give themselves an extra year of locking up his services, that is, delaying his potential free agency by a year if he lacks the service time at the MLB level. Is this still how the system operates? Yes, the Mets can delay Acuna's free agency eligibility by an entire season or calendar year by keeping him at AAA this season for a few weeks. If so, Acuna's Syracuse stint need not occur at the beginning of the 2025 season, but instead, can occur at any point in the season. Also, his late 2024 call-up (or cup of coffee) plays no part in this calculation. A player is eligible for free agency after accumulating six years of service time -- that is six years of service time either on the active 26 man roster or on the IL. A player is credited with one day of service time for each day that he is either on the active roster or on the IL. A player is credited with a year of service when he accumulates at least 172 days of service time in a given year or season. A season typically has about 190 days, or something close to that number. So keeping Acuna in Syracuse for about three weeks this year will prevent him from gaining one year of service time this season. This would have nothing to do with "making up" for Acuna's time on the active roster in 2024. The few weeks Acuna spent with the Mets in late September of that season was not enough to give Acuna a year of service time. And Acuna's 2024 service time does not carry over into the next year or any other year for purposes of calculating service time for free agency eligibility. A player who has half a year of service time in one season and half a year of service time in another season cannot combine those two half years to give himself one full year's worth of service time for the purposes of calculating free agency eligibility. In theory, a team can delay a player's free agency practically in perpetuity if it sends that player to AAA for a few weeks every single season (so long as that player has options). Not so sure how the union and the fans would react though, especially if that player was a star.

On the side profile as well. Which helps when you are now with a team with the same cap color, even if your side profile no longer looks the way it did in the photo! https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/70/70-40Fr.jpg> https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/58526/58526-1Fr.jpg> https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/72/72-240Fr.jpg> Which is pretty funny given the sandwiched year's card https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/71/71-650Fr.jpg> I have a feeling that shot goes all the way back to the photo shoot Topps did for Allen's 1966 base card https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/65/65-80Fr.jpg> I don't see no images. Is this a prank?

Edgy MD wrote: =Centerfield post_id=186304 time=1740837287 user_id=65]How is there any fucking debate about Pete Rose. His voters have a stake in Pete Rose and his reputation. Two generations of white guys pointed at him as a model for their sons. He's the worst president imaginable, but he's as talented a political animal as we have ever seen, and he never stops running. Besides, in his book, not paying taxes is a virtue, not a crime. I don't understand why we are talking about tax evasion or gambling or anything else when THE GUY IS A FUCKING PEDOPHILE.

Can they expand the mitt? I guess not It's another moronic pitch framing post. He can't think straight when it comes to this topic. He can't help himself. I've never made a comment to pitch framing prior Please stop and don't make it personal, thanks I wasn't referring to you when I wrote "he". Follow the thread.

Turner reinvented himself after the Mets cut ties with him. Prior to that, there was no evidence that he'd become a perennial all-star. It would've been like predicting Daniel Murphy's 2015-2018 transformation into an MVP-caliber hitter after Murph's second or third season in the majors.

Dating Game legend Rod Gaspar.

Edgy MD wrote: Wait until you see the analysis of Doug Sisk's biorhythms. Who cares? Years ago, I scored Sisk's mood ring on ebay.

Edgy MD wrote: The lineup that backed Tom Seaver in 1983 was pretty wacky, but they beat the eventual pennant-winning Phils 2-0. The Phils were old and had to shake the rust off. Oh c'mon. Go and watch a Twilight Zone rerun or something. That was one game. One. One baseball game where dumb luck typically has an outsized effect on the final score. Are you gonna micro-analyze that game to the 1,000th degree to come up with some grand thesis on why the Mets won? And make up your mind: Were the Phillies too old to compete or good enough to play in the World Series?

I don't see any trend one way or the other. Mike Piazza, Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter and Carlos Delgado excelled instantly. And George Foster didn't go through a period of adjustment. The beginning of his decline coincided with his arrival in Flushing. Foster the Met would never again be the lethal MVP-caliber hitter he was with the Reds.

I totally missed the Brian Ostrosser era. What probably happened was that with a Mets lead comfortably in hand, I switched channels to watch a sneak preview of The Girl with Something Extra. And there went Ostrosser.

Good ol' Charley Pierce earns a spot in our Met Pop Culture thread by channeling the hapless original incarnation of Casey's Polo Grounds Mets.. And a damn good speech by Maine's Governor Mills. Personally, they should be doing much more than simply telling President Combover to essentially go **** himself, but it's a start: The Maine Governor Knew Exactly What to Say to Trump: "See You In Court" https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a63904944/trump-transgender-athletes-maine-governor/

And so it begins Define "it"? Chorus of the "We're Doomed" squad? ... from the guy who totally trashed the 2022 squad that won 101 regular season games, more than any Met team in franchise history other than the juggernaut '86 team ... all because they lost one playoff game to the Padres. But it was the playoffs! Ooooooh! The playoffs. How could they lose a playoff game?!?

cal sharpie wrote: For me it is the time I was living in California, 1972-1983 so the Milner/Matlack/Mazzilli Mets passed me by. Those weren't the Milner years. Those were the prime Seaver years. Cy Young in '73. Cy Young in '75. Deserved the Cy Young in '76. Deserved to be runner-up Cy Young in '77 (half a Met, though).

It's been 20 years at least since George Steinbrenner ran the Yankees. Can't blame George for the fact that the team's conservative facial hair policy "finally" came to an end just now. And when it was first instituted some 50 years ago, the idea wasn't so outlandish or "square".

Frayed Knot wrote: When MLB announced the permanent adoption of the ghost runner it became pretty obvious that the reasons/excuses for using it in the previous few seasons - 2020: it's the Covid year - 2021: it's the post-Covid year and there are still travel restrictions - 2022: we need to use it this year too because of a shorter spring training period due to labor strife!! were nothing more than a lead-up to a decision that had already been made. And while I probably shouldn't have thrown in 'overwhelmingly', Manfred definitely cited fan approval as one of the reasons for permanence despite offering no proof or data. [paraphrasing] 'Fans have told us they love this idea ... take our word for it' Bud Selig took a poll and Bud Selig's daughter audited the poll. What more proof of data do you need?

=ashie62 post_id=185737 time=1740176866 user_id=90] Can they expand the mitt? I guess not

Frayed Knot wrote: Yeah, the article I read was one in response to Xmas car commercials, 96% of which seem to involve someone being surprised by a brand new car in the driveway on Christmas morning. 'Cute, but not so easily done' was the gist of the piece. I'm sure that Soto got to do the fun part of that deal -- going out, picking out, maybe even test driving the car he gifted to Baty. Maybe Soto even decided to pick himself up a spare Maserati or Lamborghini for a rainy day or for when his main ride breaks down while he was out there car-shopping.

Frayed Knot wrote: I remember reading one time (likely during Christmas season) that buying a car for someone else as a gift is somewhat difficult. It's certainly legal and possible, but there is a lot of red tape and forms involved. I'm sure that Soto didn't have to do a goddamn thing other than signing some papers that his accountants, slaves and other underlings prepared for him, if even that much.

I felt the same way. I liked the show very much overall. I've watched it from start to finish at least twice. But my least favorite segments were the ones involved Draper's domestic life, at least with his first wife in (presumably) Westchester. I didn't think it was so bad when he moved into that swanky Park Avenue bachelor pad when he hooked up with his secretary.

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He couldn't hit. He was a sad, incompetent and overmatched hitter. On hitting alone, he shouldn't have even been allowed to wear a major league uniform, let alone to play in a major league game. On hitting alone, he wasn't even good enough to play in AAA ball. And as if that alone wasn't bad enough, he was hyped up, every single fucking day, as if he were the Babe Ruth of shortstops. Howie Rose blubbering nonsense about how he probably saved the Mets a run a day. My God! Do you have any fucking idea what it is for a team to allow 162 less runs than in the previous season? And then to attribute that all to one fucking player? Just one player? And not even a starting pitcher.