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What baseball- related stuff did you get year? Later

Edgy DC wrote: What's gotten lost is me. Don't worry about it. My wife tell me that I have that effect on people. Later

Edgy DC wrote: Shooting your age is much rarer than a hole in one or a double eagle. That sounds logical, but I'm not a golfer. Are there any figures to back that up? I wonder if that's also true for ex-pros. It seems that golf is something they can do with a reasonable amount of success into their later years. Later

What's gotten lost in this was what Max Kellerman said about greatness over time and his every few years lists. Maybe I gave bad examples. But I felt it deserved mentioning. As for Puckett, reread my comment about careers prematurely shortened due to illness or injury. Later

Yes, Kaline was a very good ballplayer. Buy to me he was just a notch below enshrinement level. There are others who I feel don't belong from the same era. (Tony Perez, Billy Williams) and some who I feel do (e.g.- Alan Trammell) I think its been posted here, something like if you have to argue about why a player belongs, then he may not. Later

metirish wrote: I believe Doctor McNamee on this, sorry Rajah. Speaking of the Doctor, I heard an interview with ex-Met C. J. Nitkowski who approached the Doc to be his personal trainer around the time C.J. was a Tiger/ Met. The interviewer asked if they had discussed steroids. C.J. said: 1) The topic was discussed a few times. 2) C.J. asked about them. 3) The Doc was knowledgeable about them, describing which one was better/ worse for which need; that the steroids for pitchers were different than those best for position players. 4) He said the Doc did not offer any steroids, nor did he volunteer where the player could obtain them. 5) The Doc was trying to enroll players in his own training regimen that did dot include steroids. C.J. implied that the Doc discouraged their use. I found #4 very interesting. C.J. is a bright, well spoken ,St. John's alum, and I believe when he said. Later

And, other than being the youngest or second youngest player to win a batting title, Kaline only led his league in one offensive category (doubles?) one year for the rest of his career. I find it difficult to see what he did, other than achieving a "magic number" to deserve enshrinement. Later

Valadius wrote: I'd add that if they were considered one of the three best players at their position consistently. Which is why I don't think Al Kaline belongs. Yes, he got the "magic" 3,000 hits, but he wasn't even one of the top three right fielders during much of his career (Aaron, F. Robinson, Clemente. Later

On the first day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me A wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the second day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the third day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me Three reserves returned, Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the fourth day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me No new four year FA contracts,, Three reserves returned, Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the fifth day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me NO SERIES RINGS!, No new four year FA contracts,, Three reserves returned, Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the sixth day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me Six potential starters, NO SERIES RINGS!, No new four year FA contracts,, Three reserves returned, Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the seventh day of Chanukah, My Omar gave to me Seven Latino prospects, Six potential starters, NO SERIES RINGS!, No new four year FA contracts,, Three reserves returned, Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. On the eighth day of Chanukah, my true love sent to me A plan for ticket bilking, Seven Latino prospects, Six potential starters, NO SERIES RINGS!, No new four year FA contracts,, Three reserves returned, Two catchers who we�ll love, And a wish for Pedro�s full recovery. ********************************************************* Any of you also root for the Blue Jays and want to try a Boxing Day song? Later

I just recalled something ESPN radio's Max Kellerman said when discussing the HOF. He noted that to be enshrined, a player had to be great, and great over a long period of time. He then said that the way he does this is by writing down a list of the top (pick your own number, he suggested five) players in the game. Then do it again every 2-3 years. If a player shows up on those lists after 10-15 years then they deserve serious consideration for the Hall. My addition -unless their careers were prematurely shortened by injury (Puckett, Koufax) or death (was it Addie Joss, or some other 1920's era pitcher who barely pitched 10 years?). It seems to make sense, and takes the "magic numbers "out of it. Also, a few years ago, I read a piece by Hardball Times writer John Brittain, who used to occasionally visit this forum. In it, he tried to justify the HOF inclusion of "Indian Bob" Johnson. He used some select sabermetrics to prove his point. I've corresponded with him a lot over the years, and I never could get him to admit whether he did it tongue-in-cheek to demonstrate how unimportant some of those numbers really are, or whether he was serious. Later

When I first read the thread title, I was preparing myself for a "why is this music thread in the baseball forum?" kind of post. But now I'm fah'klempt. Wow! A great honor to Shea. Never mind. Later

When I turn on the sports report and there's no baseball news. Later

I defer to the voters and stand corrected. Later

The only player on that list who played defense at a major league level was Duke Snider. Later

="Edgy DC"]A problem with Molitor is that he kept getting hurt before he was a DH, and it was arguably the protection that the DH offered him that put his offense onto a Hall of Fame track. That's worth thinking about. Molly was the case I was thinking about when I described why I'm against the DH in that long ago post. I feel it artificially prolongs the careers of players who would otherwise have lost games to retirement or injury (or both). And therefore they are able to put up career numbers that challenge those of pre- DH players. The Hall of Fame seems to be a Hall of Numbers lately (where in the bylaws is a "magic number" such as 500 dingers or 3,000 hits or 300 wins?) And that's where the DH helps the candidacy of those players who have amassed their numbers without having to have played a defensive position at the end of their careers. Later

I like this part about Kuhn/ Miller: ]The shock was that former commissioner of baseball Bowie Kuhn was voted in. During Kuhn's tenure from 1969 to 1984, he lost every significant battle he fought. Under Miller's leadership, the players' union finally ended the grip of the century-old reserve system that had made a player the property of one team indefinitely unless he was traded, sold or released. That's like glorifying the loser, General George Armstrong Custer and not the winner, Chief Sitting Bull. Oh wait. We do that. Never mind. As for his premise, I agree. There are a lot of "pretty good players" in there for whom I would not have voted. Later

Many US prescription medications, such as antibiotics, are available over-the-counter in some Latin American countries. I wonder if that includes steroids. Later

Just got home after an almost two hour fun-filled ride on barely plowed highways. So I haven't read the entire thread. (I need sleep) Two immediate thoughts: I guess one effect of taking that stuff is to make the user think that a piece of a bat is really a baseball. I wonder if Andy Petitte took the stuff before, or after, he made those TV ads selling bibles? Later

Along those same lines, it will be interwesting to see what, if anything, the report says about the Red Sox, since IIRC Mitchell sits on the team's Board of Directors. I have heard the report may point fingers at management as well as the players and the union. Later

="Kid Carsey"]I really thought that there would be some leaks tonight but they got this thing sealed up like a bulls ass during fly season. Sometime when you have a chance, you've just got to tell us what else you look at closely during your free time. Thanks for sharing that Hallmark moment. Later

="Kid Carsey"]MFS, Ginkoba, you remembered avi back in Jun 2005. I said I thought I remembered him, but couldn't remember from where. And I still didn't understsnd the context in which his name was still being used. Steve just explained that. Later

Edgy DC wrote: I'm on it. I'm all over it. Other surprising names: David Eckstein Jeff Wilpon Michael J. Fox Chuck Woolery Martha Quinn Scrappy Doo OK, point well taken. What major league ballplayers do you think/ hope will be on Mitchell's list of steroid users? Later

What's an avi? I get the impression from the way it has been used since I got here that it is a tribute to a past CPF-er. Is that correct? If not, what's the story behind it? Concerning the LIST, who do you think will be on it? Who do you hope will be on it? Later

Oops, posted this in another thread before seeing this one: We just noticed that the Chanukah candles we've been using this year were made in China. So, that's where the Lost Tribe ended up. Later