Edgy DC wrote: Finding new, exotic, down-in-the-system reasons to hate the team is megasilly. Please don't start a new Corey Ragsdale campaign. I don't think my heart could take it. Edgy, I don't hate this team. I love this team. When the season started, I looked at all the off season moves that were made to strengthen the bullpen and had a pretty good feeling. My comment about "end of civilization" (part hyperbolic, part comedic) meant that many of those moves would have to have failed if CJ were to have made the team. He's not my whipping buy nor is he symbolic of anything. As for his record, here it is: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nitkoc.01.shtml Later