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Hey, you brought it up Edge and made a blogger's point an issue. And no, I'm not equating the Mets being tone deaf to a vocal and trollish minority of their fanbase to the flashpoint of Bill Cosby's fall from grace, but it falls under the same category. I'd wager if Cosby's social media staff had laid low, or if Cosby had taken Buress on, things would not have spiraled out of control. Which is the point here. Of course the Mets probably would have taken the hits if this was rolled out at any time, but with the Scherzer signing happening literally at the same time period, the bad quips and trollish posts are that much more pointed and harsher. The Nats make a big signing, and hey look the Mets upgraded Citi FIeld's scoreboard! The timing was just awful, and its very much been the Mets' way to seem like they honestly do not realize what the fanbase is feeling at any given time.

Edgy MD wrote: I'm going to cry for the love of all that is reasonable and thoughtful. For these things have died. Steve has killed them. FWIW, Hannibal Buress was not the first comic to bring up the rape allegations against Bill Cosby, but because his recent comments went viral, combined with that "Meme Me" Cosby Twitter fiasco like what, a week later when it was still simmering, THAT is when shit got real. The point is, YES, keeping eye on social media trends within a fanbase population should be a factor in non-on the field related marketing and press relations. Fans are angry that the Mets are projected to once again provide a middle of the road team, while the division winner just signed the biggest contract of the winter, things might get messy if you roll out a press release about the new scoreboard at the same time.

Edgy MD wrote: How is the Mets staff being petty? When exactly should they have announced this? Do you really think I need to be shown how negative the online fanbase has gotten? It looks petty because like I said, it is like the Mets are in some sort of vacuum where they are the only team doing anything of note. Its the type of news that can be put out any time before the season started, and did it have to have a formal press release? I'm not justifying the reaction, but at the same time, the Mets seem to have a mentality that the angry part of the fanbase doesn't exist, or they fall on the "who cares, hater gonna hate" way of fan relations.

To be fair, this is something that could have waited until closer to Opening Day to be announced. The Mets PR and marketing staff do have a history of seemingly living in a vacuum. Yes I know no one should care about what other teams are announcing or doing the same particular day as whatever banal thing you are rolling out, but at the same time they should notice that the online/electronic (callers to radio and television talk shows) fanbase has become notoriously angry, bitter and hostile over the last decade of futility, that they should realize they'd get hit for something like this being rolled out around the same time as a division rival landing a major signing while their franchise is sitting on their hands for most of the offseason. Granted you can debate all you want about the merits of making moves for the sake of making moves, but it still looks kind of petty and shows an alarming lack of self awareness by the Mets staff. I mean to show you how negative the online fanbase has gotten, clearly Pedro Martinez did not have an online presence, or listened to WFAN/1050ESPN at all during his time in New York, and clearly hasn't been following the NL East since leaving the game in 2009, as he said that Met fans are more accepting and keep hoping for the best, which got got responses of "Pedro hates us! FUCK PEDRO! FUCK HIM UP HIS STUPID ASS" by the media and social media. As if Pedro said Met fans are accepting of the shit the Mets have been giving their fans since he left.

Great...googliy moogily... Conflated the Met HOF with the 2011 Baseball Hall of Fame Buck O'Neill Award for some reason...

Edgy MD wrote: Pete was given a "Longtime Terrific Service Award" or some such thing they announce for employees supposedly too many degrees removed from the competition to qualify for the Mets Hall. It's the same reward I believe they recognized Bob Mandt and Jane Jarvis with. The late Jane Jarvis has yet to be honored with the Mets' HOF Achievement Award. So far its been just 2010 Robert Mandt 2012 Pete Flynn 2013 Roland Hemond

G-Fafif wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: I hate to say this considering the crap I get from a certain admin around here, but this is the kind of thing that screams to be held at a Rusty's in mid-town Manhattan-ish. At which point it stops being the Queens Baseball Convention. Shea (you know what I mean) is the right spot unless you're going to go Javits Center-size. All Mets fans know where it is, it's accessible by multiple forms of transit; it has, for the occasion, free parking, celebrities flying in from all across America are a short ride away from LaGuardia. To shea

Ceetar wrote: bmfc1 wrote: I'm hoping that the Mets let us inside CF next year. (300 Mets fans in an adjoining restaurant and the team store was closed--stupid!) Well, you might be able to hold your breath on that one. Feels like it might be a possibility. And yeah, the Acoustics, even with the better setup, weren't great. McFadden's just isn't set up for that and the ambient noise and high ceilings just seem to suck it up. And the light/glare. yikes. so many windows. But I hate McFaddens. I wish they could've somehow put it somewhere with a view of the field. I'd almost say ditch the CF entrance and the whole Mo's Zone and turn that area into a bar/group area. I don't know the details of the workings of the Mets Executives, but I feel like this was one of those necessary evils type thing. It's obviously just talking heads and a sales pitch. Anyway, post up any other complaints or ideas and I'll mention them. Unless it's about the bathroom guy/gal in the back bathroom. We can't figure out why McFaddens feels that's necessary. I hate to say this considering the crap I get from a certain admin around here, but this is the kind of thing that screams to be held at a Rusty's in mid-town Manhattan-ish. Maybe get a hold of Foley's for next year, or a similar big bar that has Met friendly owners?

Also don't forget that Jeets probably has much more high profile guilt by association taint through his career than Biggio, despite being Ken Caminiti's teammate.

Frayed Knot wrote: And in case one is wondering about the impact of perception and image on fans and writers, check out the (small) differences in 162 game/avgs between two 20 year career players with near identical plate appearances (12,504 vs 12,602). PAABH2B3BHRSBCSBBKBAOBASLGOPS+ 7116181743831724766100.281.363.433112 7436602043241521664109.310.377.440115 One, it turns out, had a career which inspires calls for induction by unanimous acclimation and/or a waiving of the five-year waiting period. The other needed three elections to get in, peaked at a low-80's pct approval, and will continue to be dismissed as "a compiler" in certain circles. LOL! Yes but look at the postseason stats! *rolls eyes*

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: This isn't some pinnacle of humanity inducting humans into some pillar of humanity, they're just people picking great players. I just think it's ridiculous to assert that someone would have trouble being selected because they're Catholic or Republican. Probably not him specifically, but it'd be more about something he said or did rather than his specific ideology. I don't know what specific thing SJR was referring to. Of course, that's because Piazza's in the majority. It's almost definitely happened to other guys that we haven't noticed, especially along the fringes. Delgado caught some flak once upon a time for a political stance he took, rather quietly, but it's only a couple of votes more that would've kept him on the ballot. Who else? What happens when a gay player becomes known? What happens if say Ken Griffey Jr comes out before next year? The voters hardly seem to be voting with any sort of integrity, and I only see it getting worse. It wasn't my theory, so I don't know if it is anything beyond a theory put forth by a guy too bitter about the state of journalism in this country being too liberal leaning for his taste.

Ceetar wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: themetfairy wrote: I blame Long Shot. The book made him look like a petulant child, and probably cost him enough votes to keep him out. I've seen a tin foil theory put forth that his faith and politics actually may have something to do with people who do not share his political or religious beliefs not voting for him. 'character clause' means "hey, I don't like you." but the book came out after the first vote. In fact, I imagine the publishers/agent figured he'd get in and it'd be great for sales since he'd be in the news and all that. But there were actually writers who said things like "I want to see if he admits to PEDs in the book" and left him off. (Heyman I believe) And that probably still didn't change a lot of voter's minds! I'd imagine they see his OTC andro use and conger up visions of Piazza using it to cover up the injection roids ala McGwire. FWIW, I think a lot of Schilling's lack of votes actually do come from him being outspoken on topics that go counter to what is popular among members of the media. It isn't that outlandish to think that, where unless the stats are just so overwhelming that it does look petty to use someone's attitude and demeanor against them (Carlton, Murray) that they'll use that as a reason privately and whatever "ah I just don't see him as a true HALL OF FAMER" excuse publicly.

Valadius wrote: Worth noting... self-appointed baseball pope Bob Costas was making the case for raising the number of ballot selections from 10 to 12 or 15 on MLB Network just now. That might hurt more than it would help. While I disagree that everyone should hit the 10 max, I'd wager a lot more people vote for less than 5 a year than those that do 8-10 a year.

themetfairy wrote: I blame Long Shot. The book made him look like a petulant child, and probably cost him enough votes to keep him out. I've seen a tin foil theory put forth that his faith and politics actually may have something to do with people who do not share his political or religious beliefs not voting for him.

Frayed Knot wrote: Randy Johnson - Traded at age 25 after 10 ML starts + 1 relief appearance John Smoltz - Traded as a 20 y/o minor leaguer Pedro Martinez - Traded at age 22 after 67 games pitched but just 2 starts There might be a lesson in there somewhere but I think it's subject to interpretation. Just as cherry picking trolling as mentioning Generation K when making an argument for moving highly touted prospects when their stock is at their highest. FWIW, the Johnson and Smoltz deals were classic prospects for "missing piece rental" deadline deals, Mark Langston, who ended up only being in Montreal for that stretch in 1989, signed with California that offseason and Doyle Alexander who did help the 1987 Tigers to the division down the stretch, but only lasted two more seasons. Pedro was moved from the Dodgers in an 1993 offseason deal for Delino DeShields, who had a pretty unproductive three seasons in LA as Pedro became a star with the Expos. Probably more in line with a Ryan for Fergosi type of move where a change in scenery did more to help a developing talent find himself.

Edgy MD wrote: I�m Nomar Garciaparra. I went .313 / .361 / .521 // .882 over 6,116 plate appearances, 78% from the shortstop position. Each of these rate stats are decidedly superior to, for instance, Cal Ripken, or for another instance, Robin Yount. I batted .357 in 1999 and followed that up with a .372 in 2000. Inflated era? Maybe, but both those numbers led the rest of the inflated-assed league. In 2002, I hit 56 doubles and 85 extra-base hits. I never quite won an MVP, but I accumulated 1.67 MVP shares. They used to call me a super shortstop. I am about to disappear quietly after one season on the ballot, getting 1.28% of the vote from the BBWAA and 0.00% from the CPFAA. Bad breakup in Boston, missed out on the championship run. Often injured after 2001, wouldn't play more than 122 games since playing in 156 in 2003 (hey kind makes me think of a guy the media members and certain segments of the fanbase seem to be hot and heavy for these days). In fact, 2006 is really his only big year after leaving the Red Sox, his final AS appearance and appearance in MVP voting. While injuries are a factor in his decline, and his slash percentage numbers still stay consistent, it is easy to see why he's falling off. Now, Carlos Delgado and Gary Sheffield I can see you building a case for why they shouldn't be "one and dones"

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batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Why does it bother you if someone disses the Wilpons? They deserve all the dissing there is to diss. What are they, your kinfolk or something? If this was a problem on the Mets level, sure blame the person whom supposedly the buck stops with, be my guest. There are plenty of CEOs who will bite the bullet when something falls in the organizational chain. But this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE METS! Nada, zip, ziltch. But because it happened to a Met fan when purchasing a ticket plan online, it doesn't get the "D'OH! YOU HAD ONE JOB!" type of yuks that other teams would get, especially since it was a glitch in the confirmation mailing system, probably a coding error. But it gets the "blame the Wilpons, 'cause they are EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVIIILLLLLLLL" response because they are currently the laughingstock of MLB. This part, I get. I don't need the 300 word explanation. BTW, you calling me out for seemingly having a hard on, which I don't, I'm just poking fun at an obvious troll's obvious behavior, suggests that you seem to have more of a problem with people mentioning the Wilpons in a positive manner. I thought I was poking some fun, too. But this is getting even funnier now, the way you're getting all over the top riled up over this. And your cock innuendos (which, to be truthful, I don't even understand). Whatever. Go ahead and defend the Wilpons all you like. It really didn't bother me. I won't lose sleep over it. And I wasn't going for such an overreaction. If I ever run into you at Citi Field, I'll treat you to a hot dog with all the dijonnaise your heart desires. Peace. I wish I never wrote that first post in the first place. LOL!

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Why does it bother you if someone disses the Wilpons? They deserve all the dissing there is to diss. What are they, your kinfolk or something? Its just the knee jerk reaction. Same one that blames EVERYTHING on the sitting POTUS or the majority leaders in Congress for the crap in this country according to your political mindset. If this was a problem on the Mets level, sure blame the person whom supposedly the buck stops with, be my guest. There are plenty of CEOs who will bite the bullet when something falls in the organizational chain. But this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE METS! Nada, zip, ziltch. But because it happened to a Met fan when purchasing a ticket plan online, it doesn't get the "D'OH! YOU HAD ONE JOB!" type of yuks that other teams would get, especially since it was a glitch in the confirmation mailing system, probably a coding error. But it gets the "blame the Wilpons, 'cause they are EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVIIILLLLLLLL" response because they are currently the laughingstock of MLB. BTW, you calling me out for seemingly having a hard on, which I don't, I'm just poking fun at an obvious troll's obvious behavior, suggests that you seem to have more of a problem with people mentioning the Wilpons in a positive manner.

Ceetar wrote: my opening day and may 16th tickets came Thursday. It'd be funnier if the confirmation email came from the Cubs or something. Actually, I should follow up with my cyber friend to see if somehow the glitch got him subscribed to Athletic mass mailings, the way I'm still subject to Phillie mass mailings since buying tickets through them back in '06!

Might as well put this here, but a cyber-friend posted on FB that he had purchased his Sunday plan, only to get a confirmation from the Oakland Athletics! D'OH! FWIW, the funniest thing about this though, immediately a "Wilpon must sell and be jailed" troll jumped on the opportunity to blame Fred & Jeff for something that clearly was an MLB.com ticketing glitch in the mass mailing of purchase confirmations system.

d'Kong76 wrote: The mission is cooked, I'd be surprised if he's even to be considered again. Or in the manner of Deacon White was two years ago by the Pre-Integration Era Committee. A catcher/3Bman who last played in 1890, and died in 1939.

Since Hodges was one of the ones with 3 or fewer, I seriously wonder how much that intense FB group had to do with Hodges getting so few votes. Considering how much the panels are trying to get away from the cronyism and campaigning that have hurt the VC's reputation in the past.

I was about to add, yeah, it looks like it mocks all the Buzzfeed type of articles that string together social media posts to make an article as well.

d'Kong76 wrote: I'm not giving them clicks. The Onion hides at clickhole now? A branch, presumably mocking all those "click here to continue" click bait articles.