nymr83

you get alot of that, at weekend day games especially. i've found the people sitting around me to be much smarter on freezing cold or rainy weeknights in April. i guess theres something about the early start and the heat that attracts the morons who would never show up to watch a game in the cold after work on a thursday

]and that Wagner, warming up in the bullpen wears No. 34 (Wagner wears 13; Mike Pelfrey wears 34; the pitcher warming up was No. 64, Elmer Dessens). CBS gamecast actually had Wagner warming up at some point in the 8th, whether that was a mistake or not i dont know

an unassisted triple play to end the game. it could only happen to us.

no defense!! tying runs on base, he'll get a hit but that was another defensive misplay

and now an error at 2nd and Castillo beats it out!!

Ryan Buckner at 1st for the Phils

HE CAUGHT THE BALL, THAT WASNT EVEN CLOSE!! GET YOURSELF TOSSED HERE JERRY!!!! edit- umps conference and make right call

thats SIX nothing in the 1st inning. FUCK PEREZ

nothing new here.

="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":vfttmgxl]="Edgy DC":vfttmgxl]Nothing celebrates the legacy of Gil Hodges like the manager pulling a cruiisng pitcher throwing his best game of the season after 81 pitches because of delusions that he's going to find the magic formula to a bulletproof bullpen.[/quote:vfttmgxl] There may have been other managers I've disliked more. But I don't think there's been a single Met skipper who's turned my language as dirty as our own Gangsta-in-Chief.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I demand the chance to manage this team. Demand it.[/quote:vfttmgxl] I still liked both Howe and Randolph less, Randolph had alot more to work with in 2007 (and the poor start to 2008) than Jerry has left standing this year, and this team did ok even with Delgado and Reyes hurt, it wasn't until Beltran joined them that the team really blew up.

I was out playing poker tonight so i missed the game, looking at the box score i need to ask: why was Redding pulled after only 5 solid innings and 80 pitches?

I'm also unimpressed/underwhelmed by Evans, but if he's taking ABs away from a guy who isn't part of next year's plan (Sheffield) I wouldn't complain about it much.

It tried to be serious, it tried to be funny, it mostly failed to be either. Though there are occassional funny moments they weren't frequent enough, and there wasn't enough action to carry the boring plot along.

How sure are you that Wagner wouldn't accept the Mets' arbitration offer? he might wish he was closing but might also want to take the money and laugh at the Wilpons for offering.

]It might be established to be true -- the article doesn't say one way or the other. Perhaps the dead guy had ID on him, but the police didn't share that with the public. the sub-headline to the journal-constitution article said he had ID on him, but thats not in the article, if it was the basis of Jones Sr.'s knowledge then its a poorly written article. edgy- i stand by my statement that it is a logical assunption to make under the circumstances. I haven't been able to find any article about it that doesnt directly copy (usually with attribution) the Atlanta Journal-Constitution one, the local Texas paper (San Antonio Express News) makes no mention of it that I can find (pretty damn strange, I can't imagine a dead body being found not showing up in the Staten Island advance, no matter who it was)

it isn't irrelevant, its part of the story behind his death, a possible why he was there and without food/water

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3ew4u8km]="Edgy DC":3ew4u8km]Curious how Larry, Sr., finds a corpse and knows its immigration status.[/quote:3ew4u8km] Special power. Only the realest 5% of Real Americans have it. (Like a xenophobe "shining.") [/quote:3ew4u8km] or he made the logical asssumption that a mexican, apparently dead from from dehydration, only a few miles from the border, found in a remote area on private property where no law-abiding person had a reason to be, was here illegally- its not much of a leap. Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 11:09 AM What's notable is that it (1) appears to be an assumption stated as fact, and (2) is irrelevant to the tragedy of a man dying of dehydration. Nymr83 Aug 21 2009 11:36 AM it isn't irrelevant, its part of the story behind his death, a possible why he was there and without food/water MFS62 Aug 21 2009 11:37 AM From the thread title I thought I was going to read that he went into a Taco Bell instead of a Hooters. Later Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 11:57 AM ="Nymr83"]it isn't irrelevant, its part of the story behind his death, a possible why he was there and without food/water It's not even established to be true! A guy is near the Mexican border and appears to be Mexican. That doesn't make him illegal no matter how much logic you put into it. Many legal Mexican-Americans live in the border region. Thousands upon thousands. Many are also in poverty, lost, and desperate. I don't know what to do with the implication of that "law abiding" thing. Many otherwise legal residents are capable of tresspassing on a 10,000 acre ranch. seawolf17 Aug 21 2009 12:15 PM It might be established to be true -- the article doesn't say one way or the other. Perhaps the dead guy had ID on him, but the police didn't share that with the public. Frayed Knot Aug 21 2009 12:44 PM This headline could be set to music: Chipper Jones killed a Mexican guy Chipper Jones killed a Mexican guy On his ranch and without a car he was out too late, he strayed too far ... LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 21 2009 12:51 PM ="Frayed Knot"]This headline could be set to music: Chipper Jones killed a Mexican guy Chipper Jones killed a Mexican guy On his ranch and without a car he was out too late, he strayed too far ... I can see this as either a fifties teen-tragedy rock ballad OR a young Johnny Cash ripper. Nymr83 Aug 21 2009 01:52 PM ]It might be established to be true -- the article doesn't say one way or the other. Perhaps the dead guy had ID on him, but the police didn't share that with the public. the sub-headline to the journal-constitution article said he had ID on him, but thats not in the article, if it was the basis of Jones Sr.'s knowledge then its a poorly written article. edgy- i stand by my statement that it is a logical assunption to make under the circumstances. I haven't been able to find any article about it that doesnt directly copy (usually with attribution) the Atlanta Journal-Constitution one, the local Texas paper (San Antonio Express News) makes no mention of it that I can find (pretty damn strange, I can't imagine a dead body being found not showing up in the Staten Island advance, no matter who it was) Ashie62 Aug 21 2009 02:05 PM ="metirish":1jui378j]I guess like Oliie he was prone to walking too much.... Gold Jerry.. walks will kill ya as they say[/quote:1jui378j] Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 02:29 PM ="Nymr83":2dfv4os6]the sub-headline to the journal-constitution article said he had ID on him[/quote:2dfv4os6] Did they change it? The subhead I've got says, "Braves star says man on Texas property believed to be illegal immigrant." Fman99 Aug 21 2009 08:32 PM I keep picture Chipper as the lead guy from "No Country for Old Men," finding all the dead drug deal guys laying around in the desert and taking their money. MFS62 Aug 21 2009 09:03 PM Wouldn't it be a bitch if that I.D. was a US passport? Or a visa of some type (work permit, student visa)? Later

]Is it a sign of the bad times with the downturn in the economy(how I hate that term) that the likes of Smith is covering baseball . From what I know of him he is a boxing guy. Tim Smith is already figuring out how to look like a NYC baseball writer though, he already knows to blame the Mets for everything even when its somebody else (Sheffield) being the douchebag. All he needs to do now is add a paragraph about how "this would never happen with the Yankees"

in fairness there would have been no Rodriguez (or no Putz) at all if Wagner was healthy all along. ]Then again, there was a wave going around, too i usually either get people to stand up too soon (to help fuck up the wave) or yell "fuck the wave!" as it goes by and i remain seated. i really hate the wave during a game.

Livan's overall output sucked, as expected. It probably wasn't the worst idea as far as experimenting on retreads goes, but the Mets should have cut bait sooner.

Another night, another loss. I hate this team.

="Edgy DC":3060a0oo]Do people at Citi know when somebody is up in the pen?[/quote:3060a0oo] They put it up on the scoreboard at some point, but you need to be paying attention. Edgy DC Aug 20 2009 07:46 PM I promise you that slowness is related to the hopelessness. I'm still posting like a fiend. bmfc1 Aug 20 2009 07:47 PM Mets reporters haven't been posting the opposition lineups. They were earlier in the year. PiggiesTomatoes Aug 20 2009 07:47 PM Frankie in mid-season form with two walks already. Thanks DP. bmfc1 Aug 20 2009 07:49 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 20 2009 07:52 PM moved, as directed Edgy DC Aug 20 2009 07:51 PM Yeah, that's another thread now. Maybe the Giants wouldn't give up any minor leaguer. Maybe they just wanted to keep somebody else away from Sheffield. Edgy DC Aug 20 2009 07:52 PM Hey, Luis, steal second! Then third and home! John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 20 2009 07:52 PM Winning run at the plate. Cmon Muffy. Send me to Project Runway on a high... John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 20 2009 07:54 PM Oh well, we lose another series by playing worse than the other team. I'm dectecting a pattern. OK, Tim Gunn, let's start a new thread, if you know what I mean... PiggiesTomatoes Aug 20 2009 07:55 PM Great at-bat young Daniel. FUCK! Nymr83 Aug 20 2009 07:56 PM Another night, another loss. I hate this team. Kong76 Aug 20 2009 07:58 PM ny83: I hate this team <<< Didn't we do this last night or the night before? See ya tomorrow. Gwreck Aug 20 2009 09:10 PM Braves lineup was Infante 2B Anderson LF Jones 3B McCann C Escobar SS Diaz RF LaRoche 1B Church CF Kawakami P --- Wagner got a nice ovation. They played Sandman and everything. Lots of cheering for his 2 Ks. I always liked Wagner. Pretty much everything else about this game was crappy. Forget just releasing Livan...how about we release Schneider, too? Surely there's an AAA catcher somewhere we could use instead. Or even Cancel. First time I've seen Johan take a loss since Ben Sheets outdueld him in Johan's Shea debut last year. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 20 2009 09:29 PM ="Edgy DC":2slkp9v1]I think I just heard a nice ovation for Billy Wagner getting up in the pen. Do people at Citi know when somebody is up in the pen?[/quote:2slkp9v1] They flashed it on the big board. People around me seemed a little excited that he was throwing and applauded pretty wildly. I joined in, since I'll give it up for a 37-year-old who works his wee, bearded ass off to come back from TJ surgery, and because I didn't want to feel left out. (Then again, there was a wave going around, too. So figure about 1/4 of the cheers were of the "Hey-- it's other humans standing and sitting in series!" variety.) Muggy night. Got into a friendly argument with a chatty stranger on the Danny Heep Bridge about the future of first base-- it really does amaze me how much support Murph still gets among Met fans. (I mean, I'm rooting for the guy too, but... he's OPSing sub-.700 at this point; I'm not sure he's a corner-IF starter for most AAA teams.) OlerudOwned Aug 20 2009 11:14 PM Seeing Wagner pitch so well bummed me out even more about all the injuries. A healthy team with Rodriguez-Putz-Wagner-Feliciano in the late innings would have been something to see. Stupid baseball. Nymr83 Aug 21 2009 12:20 AM in fairness there would have been no Rodriguez (or no Putz) at all if Wagner was healthy all along. ]Then again, there was a wave going around, too i usually either get people to stand up too soon (to help fuck up the wave) or yell "fuck the wave!" as it goes by and i remain seated. i really hate the wave during a game. metirish Aug 21 2009 05:55 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":cqcvmdie]="Edgy DC":cqcvmdie]I think I just heard a nice ovation for Billy Wagner getting up in the pen. Do people at Citi know when somebody is up in the pen?[/quote:cqcvmdie] They flashed it on the big board. People around me seemed a little excited that he was throwing and applauded pretty wildly. I joined in, since I'll give it up for a 37-year-old who works his wee, bearded ass off to come back from TJ surgery, and because I didn't want to feel left out. (Then again, there was a wave going around, too. So figure about 1/4 of the cheers were of the "Hey-- it's other humans standing and sitting in series!" variety.) Muggy night. Got into a friendly argument with a chatty stranger on the Danny Heep Bridge about the future of first base-- it really does amaze me how much support Murph still gets among Met fans. (I mean, I'm rooting for the guy too, but... he's OPSing sub-.700 at this point; I'm not sure he's a corner-IF starter for most AAA teams.)[/quote:cqcvmdie] I thought it was a nice moment.... Gwreck Aug 21 2009 07:49 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":de47vpmo]it really does amaze me how much support Murph still gets among Met fans. (I mean, I'm rooting for the guy too, but... he's OPSing sub-.700 at this point; I'm not sure he's a corner-IF starter for most AAA teams.)[/quote:de47vpmo] We were discussing that last night. Is it because he's a clean-cut white guy? Because he's Irish? Because he's a homegrown player? A little each from categories A, B and C? Because it's certainly not that he's particularly good. Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 07:56 AM But he was some'at last year, so there may be a little bit of D (residual fuzzies from rookie success) in there also. That first pitch popup was so not the solid countworking Murphy I hope I see when he steps out of the dugout, and too rarely is he that guy these days, and maybe never will be. Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2009 07:58 AM Maybe it's because Murphy looked really good late last season, and we still want him to be the guy that it looked like he might be. And part of it is we're probably paying less attention this season, when he's not doing so great, than we did last year, when the games mattered more and he was looking good. I don't want to give up on him yet, but I also don't think the Mets should pencil him in as the answer at any one position next year. And especially not at a high-offense position like first base. Keep him around. Make him a Joe McEwing. And if he proves that he can be more than that, then reevaluate. Gwreck Aug 21 2009 08:20 AM This is where I point out that I think resigning Delgado is our best option for next year if we plan to compete. John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 21 2009 08:29 AM I like Ike. John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 21 2009 08:33 AM ="Edgy DC"] That first pitch popup was so not the solid countworking Murphy I hope I see when he steps out of the dugout, and too rarely is he that guy these days, and maybe never will be. Well, he's mad about it, at least: Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 08:45 AM Other available freegies, with thier 2010 age in parentheses: Russell Branyan (34): .254 / .351 / .515 // .866 (107 g, 33 at first) Jason Giambi (39): .193 / .332 / .364 // .697 (83 g, 38 at first) Ross Gload (34): .263 / .344 / .394 // .738 (93 g, about half on defense, 26 at first) Aubrey Huff (33): .252 / .320 / .400 // .720 (112 g, 93 on defense) Nick Johnson (31, parts of him much older): .296 / .419 / .408 // .827 (111 g, 108 on defense) Adam LaRoche (30): .267 / .354 / .484 // .838 (103 g, all on defense) Robb Quinlan (33): 256 / .287 / .367 // .654 (40 103 gg, 11 at first) Matt Stairs (42!): .213 / .357 / .388 // .745 (16 g, none at first since 2007) Mike Sweeney (36): .228 / .287 / .361 // .648 (49 g, 5 at first) Jim Thome (39): .250 / .380 / .503 // .883 (97 g, none on defense) Chad Tracy (30): .235 / .292 / .380 // .673 (73 g)So, the only ones looking as viable as Delgado are Branyan, Johnson, and LaRoche, with only LaRoche looking particularly more viable. John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 21 2009 08:46 AM Edgy DC Aug 21 2009 08:54 AM Met that up a little bit, market it, and it can pay for Lunchpail's sophomore year at Barnard. TransMonk Aug 21 2009 09:20 AM In Murphy's defense, he is still very inexperienced at the professional level. David Wright had more minor league plate appearances before he was called up to the majors than Murphy has had minor and major league combined. Wright's minor league career: 1675 PA, 1419 AB, 409 H, 111 2B, 48 HR, 242 RBI, 302 K, .288/.387/.474/.861 Murphy's minor+major league career: 1634 PA, 1450 AB, 411 H, 91 2B, 35 HR, 214 RBI, 195 K, .283/.347/.431/.778 Now, I don't believe that Murphy will ever be Wright, but he is still very young and can still progress to better than we've seen this season. I'm not ready to pencil him in at any position either, but I'm not ready to call him Joe McEwing or Matt Franco just yet. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 21 2009 09:28 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"] Given his hyyyyyyuge split differensh, I wouldn't mind seeing a cheap, lefty-mashing running mate next campaign. Ike/Stick in '10! Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2009 09:29 AM I wouldn't call him Joe McEwing either. (It would get confusing, since that's not his name.) But I think that's the best way to use him, for 2010, at least, until he proves that he deserves a regular position. Find eight other guys to man the starting positions, and keep Murphy around as a super-sub, one who will play often enough to get 250 to 300 at bats. Give him the chance to prove that he can do more, without counting on him to do more. If he's anointed the Mets starting 1B this winter, it will be a pretty discouraging sign. Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2009 09:32 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]I wouldn't mind seeing a cheap, lefty-mashing running mate next campaign. Would Trot Nixon be an appropriate running mate for someone named Ike? Or should we dust off Otis Nixon? Benjamin Grimm Aug 21 2009 09:36 AM And that reminds me... When I was in college, I had a friend who was flirting with this girl, and it seemed to be going pretty well, when for no explicable reason, he told her, "I have a five-year-old son named Otis." (He didn't.) She visibly lost interest in him. So he frantically told her that it was just a joke, that he didn't really have a son named Otis. But it was too late. She either figured that he was suddenly denying his little boy's existence, or he was some kind of a nut who makes up fictional kids named Otis to impress girls. (I guess the second part was actually true.) Note to you single guys out there: The fictional-son-named-Otis line... not a good idea.

]give him the choice of playing for the next 6 weeks with the intent of impressing either the Mets or someone who could use him in 2010 or polishing the bench with his ass for the same length of time. exactly.

Burkhart talking about Sheff. Apparently the career malcontent is back to his usual bitching-ways, i guess its suprising that it took this long.

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