nymr83

The Mets are a stars-and-scrubs team. Why any team would ever be built like this is an interesting question I would contend that this is a good way to build a team in an era of free agency and constant trades. a team full of slightly above average players has a hard time getting significantly better with a single trade before the deadline or a single signing in the offseason. a team that is equally good overall but with a "stars and scrubs" approach can get more overall improvement out of a single signing or trade.

mccarver FINALLY gets corrected by his superiors, who let him know that the Astros record fewest homeruns as a team was for the "expansion era" (post 1962) only. the worst part is it felt like mccarver hadnt just misspoken, he just didnt even know that!

Razor still doesn't have a Stop Sign, but he does have a Yield sign, as he stopped Tatis before sending him home (where he was thrown out) Mets have lost 16 runners at the plate on non-forces this year!

="Benjamin Grimm"]="seawolf17"]="Benjamin Grimm"]My rooting interest for this team has been reduced to hoping they avoid 90 losses. 90? We should be rooting to avoid 100. This team is honestly that bad right now. The Mets need to go 5-28 to avoid 100 losses. (I think they should be able to do THAT!) They have to go 15-18 to avoid 90. That will be tough. (These numbers include today's loss to the Cubs, by the way.) When they started to play poorly in July I said they'd go 71-91, it looks like that was optimistic.

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":h42y48ky]="Kong76":h42y48ky]Did Murphy ran through a stop sign there?[/quote:h42y48ky] Razor knows the stop sign?[/quote:h42y48ky] Q: Razor, do you have a stop sign? A: ::laughs:: thats a good one! ask me another. well, there you have it.

you'll need to win the mega million another 2 times to hav enough money, and likely 2 or 3 times after that when they're done taxing your winnings. if dolan buys the mets i'm a marlins fan.

Soriano pulled a Castillo earlier with the "1-handed all-star" drop. board was down at the time

I'll offer 75 cents, do it now Fred, before the franchise value plummets when everyone learns that Santana is actually done for good.

If they end up with Bay or Dye, and Bedard or Piniero, or worse yet, do nothing and count on "getting healthy" to be enough", I think we end up a day late and a dollar short.... again. I don't want Bedard/Piniero and agree that Lackey is the guy to pursue, but I'd be happy with Bay in the outfield.

]Derek Lee is hitting .290 with 24 homers and 85 RBI he's got a career OPS+ of 123 but it always seems to be either barely average for a starting firstbaseman (110) or really good (130+), he doesnt have years in the middle ]The Mets are 336-337-2 vs. the Cubs something to play for!

Shit. I had a whole long post and it got deleted when I accidentally closed the browser. heres the short version: the argument that the Mets were "beyond help" is in my opinion just 20/20 hindsight, there was a period of a month or more after the Delgado injury (which should have been a big "we need help sign") in which all other significant injured players besides Perez were expected back soon and in which the Mets were playing .500 ball and were only a couple of games out. On July 2nd after beating the Pirates in a makeup game the Mets were a game back from both philly and florida. The team wasn't beyond help for that month at least.

the staten island little leaguers have hit into 3 bases loaded double plays tonight, they're really channeling the mets here

he's been pretty bad the last 2 years but he was ok before that, worth a try.

="Edgy DC":rpl4i1i1] If they saw Dunn only as a firstbaseman, they missed a lot. If they thought Murphy was a better bet in the outfield, so did they miss more. But neither of those are about Delgado.[/quote:rpl4i1i1] Just add on here, Dunn was a perfect fit, he could play the outfield in 2009 and then be moved to 1B when Delgado's contract expired if you felt that was where he belonged, he would have given the Mets flexibility in their 2010 shopping as well! as for "where did it go wrong" i'd point to 3 time periods: 1. offseason: Mets fail to get another bat 2. June: Mets are treading water not falling too far behind, but front office fails to reinforce the team before it can fade 3. July: Team falls apart from cumulative injuries MFS62 Aug 26 2009 05:41 PM If they make a movie of this season, it should be directed by Wes Craven. Later Edgy DC Aug 26 2009 09:32 PM ="Vic Sage":3gzpo6te]- saying Delgado was "a senior citizen that broke his hip" is a joke, not an attempt to describe the injury with scientific specificity.[/quote:3gzpo6te] You miss my more salient point here. Neither had he displayed any particular injury-proneness. The appeal of Texiera is clear. He's younger and more likely to maintain his health and productivity, but let's not distort the case against a good soldier. Edgy DC Aug 26 2009 09:37 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Aug 27 2009 07:14 AM ="Nymr83":1izifb1m]="Edgy DC":1izifb1m] If they saw Dunn only as a firstbaseman, they missed a lot. If they thought Murphy was a better bet in the outfield, so did they miss more. But neither of those are about Delgado.[/quote:1izifb1m] Just add on here, Dunn was a perfect fit, he could play the outfield in 2009 and then be moved to 1B when Delgado's contract expired if you felt that was where he belonged, he would have given the Mets flexibility in their 2010 shopping as well![/quote:1izifb1m] Yeah, yeah. That's what I said pretty much exactly on page one. It's probably what I said over the winter. I certainly thought it. As for reinforcements, I can't imagine a trade --- acknowledging my prejudice ----that could have saved this ship, and I'd hate to think of the price that any half measure would have cost. Working and praying for the health of the disabled players seemed the best and last hope to me. I really wish there was more people on board with this point, but a GM does not particularly show his merit in making dazzling mid-season trades to save a fading campaign. But sportwriters love 'em. metsmarathon Aug 27 2009 06:52 AM i'd love to know what trade could've been made that would've saved the season, aside, perhaps, for trading our broken players for the healthy versions of themselves. and then, of course, the persistent knock against omar that our farm system sucks would truly come to fruition. metirish Aug 27 2009 06:56 AM ="metsmarathon":198kkavf]i'd love to know what trade could've been made that would've saved the season, aside, perhaps, for trading our broken players for the healthy versions of themselves. and then, of course, the persistent knock against omar that our farm system sucks would truly come to fruition.[/quote:198kkavf] It's a good point , the influx of injured players coming back never happened either. Benjamin Grimm Aug 27 2009 06:58 AM Yeah, there's no way that Omar could have traded himself out of this mess. You might argue that he could have done something before the mess became so large, but even if he had, it wouldn't have helped any. It's probably better that he did nothing. It's certainly good that he didn't make any desperation trades. (I do wonder what kinds of deals he was working on.) MFS62 Aug 27 2009 08:54 AM ="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later metsmarathon Aug 27 2009 09:20 AM allyssa milano... LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 27 2009 01:44 PM ="MFS62"]="metsmarathon"]when they first dug the foundation for citi field, and found those pottery shards, arrowheads, and old indian bones, and still built the damned thing, the die was cast for this season. 'Thon, I mentioned that to a friend who is married to a Native American woman. I asked if there was anything that could be done to reverse a spell. This was his email reply: ]u're on your own on this one....i suggest a sacrifice at home plate...u have enough injured bodies that burning one more at the stake wouldn't make a big diff OK, so, who do we pick? Later Burn Martinez-- JUST MAKE SURE YOU GET THE RIGHT ONE! Nymr83 Aug 27 2009 02:12 PM Shit. I had a whole long post and it got deleted when I accidentally closed the browser. heres the short version: the argument that the Mets were "beyond help" is in my opinion just 20/20 hindsight, there was a period of a month or more after the Delgado injury (which should have been a big "we need help sign") in which all other significant injured players besides Perez were expected back soon and in which the Mets were playing .500 ball and were only a couple of games out. On July 2nd after beating the Pirates in a makeup game the Mets were a game back from both philly and florida. The team wasn't beyond help for that month at least.

Ichiro is 35, I don't know how much longer he'll play, and Gold Gloves aren't all that meaningful a measure of greatness anyway, but if he kept winning them would he be the only ever to win it every year of his career?

In other news, Putz' pitching session was cut short on Saturday due to "forearm discomfort." He has been shut down indefinitely they're now saying out for the year

this season has been dead for 2-3 months and the Mets kept trotting out their $100 million investment despite KNOWING he was hurt?? fire everyone who was involved in or even complicit in this decision. fuck this stupid franchise

i thought this was supposed to be dead in the water and then i see a "memories of" thread. sadly the legacy of wagner to me is him not being there when the bullpen imploded down the stretch in 2008.

the wilpons have no reason to agree to that though. is there anything in the CBA preventing Wilpon from paying Wagner to decline arbitration? i'm picturing a scenario where Wagner wants to close, knows it won't happen here, but also knows he's worth more in the free agent market if there arent 2 draft picks attached to him, while the Wilpons dont want him to accept arbitration but want to offer it for the picks, so Wilpon agrees to throw Wagner a million bucks to decline arbitration... the wilpons get their draft picks and wagner gets money to offset the lower contract he'll (presumably) get.

I'd rather he gets it taken care of NOW so he has an extra 2 months to heal for 2010. Fire all the team doctors and trainers please, the "coincidences" are just mounting too quickly around here.

Sheffield drops a flyball, wtf?