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Edgy MD wrote: Have we seen the last o' Wheeler? I suspect he has another couple of starts before he hits his innings limit.

smg58 wrote: Screw the innings limits if we're contending in September. I'm pretty sure they won't do that.

My only problem with that rotation is that by September, three of those five guys will be approaching innings limits. If the Mets then manage to make the postseason, they'll have to build a new rotation, much like they're doing this year with Torres, Matsuzaka, and Harang.

Frayed Knot wrote: - and Frank Francisco has been activated for the game!!! At this point he's been out so long that I can't remember what his original injury was. WHAT??? WHO???? Not only do I not remember what his injury was, I had forgotten he even existed.

The part about being imprisoned may have turned a few people off.

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Thanks everyone.

Hopefully, the Mets would only sign him at the "now" price, rather than the "used to be" price.

I think they do need to bring in a pitcher who's old enough not to be innings limited. I'm not saying that Lincecum is that guy. If Harvey is out, then we have only Niese and Gee who can go from April to September. And what if there's an October? (I'm not yet forming an opinion as to whether that's likely or not, but it is possible.) Yes, offense is more important. Definitely. But starting pitching can't be neglected either. And Sandy did say that he was going to look to bring someone in.

I've seen in a couple of places, including one article quoted somewhere in this forum, that free agent pitcher Tim Lincecum might be a Mets target this offseason. Now, as I've said before, I no longer pay much attention at all to players who aren't on the Mets. But of course I've heard of Tim Lincecum, and recall him as a perpetual Cy Young candidate. But when someone here said something like "run in the other direction" I figured that Lincecum must have contracted leprosy or something. So I looked up his stats. A quick look tells me that he was very good to very-very good from 2008 through 2011. In each of those seasons he pitched more than 200 innings, with ERAs of 2.62, 2.48, 3.43, and 2.74. In those four seasons, his strikeout totals were 265, 261, 231, and 220, and his WHIP was 1.172, 1.047, 1.272, and 1.207. In 2012, his ERA jumped to 5.18. He still made 33 starts, pitched 186 innings, struck out 190, and his WHIP was 1.468. In 2013, his ERA has come down a bit. He's pitched 170 innings so far. 4.50 ERA, 172 strikeouts, 1.341 WHIP. His salary in 2010 was $9 million. It went to $14 million in 2011, $18 million in 2012, and this year it's $22 million. He definitely doesn't seem to be the pitcher he once was. But what kind of a 2014 New York Met would he be? If he pitches in 2014 the way he has in 2013, I think he'd be an asset to the team, if only as an innings-eating fifth starter. Remember, the Mets will potentially be going into next season with several starters who will be facing innings limits. Niese and Gee will be okay, but Wheeler, and potentially Syndergaard and/or Montero, will be having their innings monitored. So a 200-inning guy is something the Mets are going to need. The big question is, how much money is he going to command? If he's looking to stay in the $22 million-per-year range, then yes, the Mets should definitely run in the other direction. But I'd be surprised if he got close to that amount, given that he's two full years removed from superstar status, and he'll turn 30 around the middle of next season. So I suppose the question is: How much money might Lincecum reasonably get, and is he, at his current level, worth that amount? (And there's always the potential that he'll bounce back to what he was three or four years ago.) I wouldn't advocate paying him for his past, but I'm not sure there's not a potential fit here. Let's talk about Tim Lincecum.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/16800/f1_t16800.shtml Wow.

I just looked him up. A career ERA of 7.56 in 81 innings. You don't find guys like that everywhere.

Hey! Didn't he used to be married to Madonna?

Voting for the games played in Atlanta on Tuesday and Wednesday will close on Monday morning, some time after 10 a.m. Schaefer POTG 9/3/13 - Braves 3, Mets 1 Schaefer POTG 9/4/13 - Mets 5, Braves 2 SCHAEFER METS PLAYER OF THE WEEK, 2013 Week ending April 6: John Buck, 7.21 points. Week ending April 13: Matt Harvey, 9.04 points. Week ending April 20: David Wright, 6.24 points. Week ending April 27: David Wright, 4.68 points. Week ending May 4: Ruben Tejada, 5.03 points. Week ending May 11: Matt Harvey, 5.94 points. Week ending May 18: Daniel Murphy, 10.08 points. Week ending May 25: Daniel Murphy, 6.86 points. Week ending June 1: Daniel Murphy, 5.80 points. Week ending June 8: Omar Quintanilla, 4.59 points. Week ending June 15: David Wright, 6.68 points. Week ending June 22: Omar Quintanilla, 5.20 points. Week ending June 29: Matt Harvey, 8.78 points. Week ending July 6: Kirk Nieuwenhuis, 6.19 points. Week ending July 13: Jeremy Hefner, 8.13 points. Week ending July 20: Marlon Byrd, 4.46 points. Week ending July 27: Matt Harvey, 10.15 points. Week ending August 3: Daniel Murphy, 4.59 points. Week ending August 10: Wilmer Flores, 5.73 points. Week ending August 17: Marlon Byrd, 5.96 points. Week ending August 24: Marlon Byrd, 5.74 points. Week ending August 31: Daniel Murphy, 6.68 points.

Here's what we were saying on that final day in 2011: Reyes Appreciation Day IGT, 9/28

That's not an autograph. That's a watermark from whatever web site is hosting that image.

I'm not saying that the bunt means we shouldn't welcome him back. I just brought it up as a rebuttal to an earlier use of the word "beloved" to describe him.

Jose's way of doing it was particularly crass, especially since many fans were there to see what they figured was probably his last game as a Met. And before they knew it, he was gone. And then he said he did it for the fans. It would have been different if he had gone 3 for 3 and then left the game in the seventh inning.

SCHAEFER METS PLAYER AND PITCHERS OF THE MONTH, AUGUST 2013 The Schaefer Mets Player of the Month for August 2013 is first-time winner DILLON GEE, who also won his second consecutive (and third overall) Pitcher of the Month award. Dillon was 3-1 in August with a 2.14 ERA over six starts. Zack Wheeler finished a fairly close second, with a 2.89 August ERA and a 3-2 record in 6 starts. The leading position player was Marlon Byrd who, in his final month as a Met, hit .286/.343/.527 with 4 homers and 11 rbi. He spend the final few days of August as a Pirate, possibly costing him the extra 3.91 points he needed to win his second straight POTM award. The Schaefer Mets Relief Pitcher of the Month is first-time winner LATROY HAWKINS. LaTroy, who stepped in as the closer when Bobby Parnell went on the DL, had 6 saves in 13 games in August. His ERA for the month doesn't look as impressive: 5.25 in 12 innings. The Schaefer Mets Bench Player of the Month for August is a repeat of July's winner ANDREW BROWN. Brown won easily this month. He earned 4.29 Schaefer points off the bench in August, while nobody else even earned as much as half a point. Updated award winner standings, with this month's winners in bold: PLAYER OF THE MONTH David Wright 13 Johan Santana 6 Carlos Beltran 5 Jose Reyes 5 R. A. Dickey 4 Cliff Floyd 2 Tom Glavine 2 Carlos Delgado 2 Ike Davis 2 Daniel Murphy 2 Mike Cameron 1 John Maine 1 Angel Pagan 1 Jeff Francoeur 1 Lucas Duda 1 Ruben Tejada 1 John Buck 1 Matt Harvey 1 Marlon Byrd 1 Dillon Gee 1 PITCHER OF THE MONTH R. A. Dickey 10 Johan Santana 9 Pedro Martinez 6 John Maine 5 Mike Pelfrey 4 Tom Glavine 3 Matt Harvey 3 Dillon Gee 3 Jonathon Niese 2 Orlando Hernandez 2 Alay Soler 1 Steve Trachsel 1 Oliver Perez 1 Livan Hernandez 1 Tim Redding 1 Chris Capuano 1 RELIEVER OF THE MONTH Brian Stokes 5 Billy Wagner 4 Aaron Heilman 4 Bobby Parnell 4 Francisco Rodriguez 3 Duaner Sanchez 2 Raul Valdes 2 Pedro Beato 2 Manny Acosta 2 Jon Rauch 2 Darren Oliver 1 Chad Bradford 1 Guillermo Mota 1 Joe Smith 1 Jorge Sosa 1 Scott Schoeneweis 1 Pedro Feliciano 1 Sean Green 1 Fernando Nieve 1 Hisanori Takahashi 1 Elmer Dessens 1 Jason Isringhausen 1 Frank Francisco 1 Josh Edgin 1 Scott Rice 1 Carlos Torres 1 Latroy Hawkins 1 BENCH PLAYER OF THE MONTH Fernando Tatis 3 Daniel Murphy 3 Jordany Valdespin 3 Julio Franco 2 Damion Easley 2 Marlon Anderson 2 Endy Chavez 2 Josh Thole 2 Justin Turner 2 Scott Hairston 2 Andrew Brown 2 Eli Marrero 1 Michael Tucker 1 Ricky Ledee 1 David Newhan 1 Ramon Castro 1 Ruben Gotay 1 Robinson Cancel 1 Gary Sheffield 1 Alex Cora 1 Jeremy Reed 1 Omir Santos 1 Cory Sullivan 1 Chris Carter 1 Mike Hessman 1 Nick Evans 1 Jason Pridie 1 Willie Harris 1 Val Pascucci 1 Mike Baxter 1 Ronny Cede�o 1 Kelly Shoppach 1 Josh Satin 1 Note: The counts for Reliever of the Month date back to April 2008, while the counts for the Bench Player of the Month start with the beginning of the 2012 season. This month, for the first time, we have retroactively included the award winners for 2006 and 2007 for the relievers, and for 2006 through 2011 for the bench players.

I don't imagine they'll hand over two-thirds of the outfield to Lagares and den Dekker. Things may play out that way by the end of the season, but that won't be the plan for April. There will be at least one more player out there with at least a few years of big league experience. I'm assuming that Tim Lincecum isn't what he was a few years ago? I suppose if he was, we'd want him but he'd be very expensive. I'll have to look up his numbers.