Benjamin Grimm

Baseball Prospectus has their playoff odds down to 2.4%. Seven days ago it was 8.2%.

I'm glad. He may ultimately miss a year, but maybe he won't. And there's no saying whether that future year will be more or less important than 2014. He may not even be a Met anymore if and when the elbow ultimately goes bad. Take the bird in the hand. Pitch in 2014! I approve.

It does seem that way. He said he never had any issues with his elbow. I know less about Adam Wainwright's situation, but from what I've heard, it's similar. So not having the surgery may in fact turn out to be the better choice. That's why I think he'll go that way. It sounds like his arm feels good to him, and he doesn't want to have major surgery when he's feeling okay. And Halladay's and Wainwright's experiences will help him justify that decision.

I think I read that it was 2006. He missed the month of September and returned by Opening Day in 2007. But looking at his game logs, it seems more likely that it was his 2005 season that ended early. The last game he pitched was in late July.

We might know. If he skips the surgery and his arm falls off next year, we know he made the wrong choice. But if he skips it and pitches without incident for the next ten years, then he made a good choice. If he does get the surgery, we'll never know if it was the right or wrong choice.

I'm hoping to hear that he's not getting the surgery. But I suppose that what I'm really hoping is that Harvey's decision, whichever way he goes, is ultimately the right one. But we may never know for sure.

September 17, 2013 12:27 PM The latest on NY Mets' Matt Harvey's big decision BY Andy Martino Matt Harvey received his official second opinion on Monday from Dr. James Andrews, and we are expecting some sort of update later today. In the meantime, checked in within the past hour with a league source briefed on the situation, and received this answer on whether or not the Mets� ace will opt for Tommy John surgery: �Still debating.� This source believed that Harvey is likely to throw a baseball again before making the final decision. The Mets are being extremely tight-lipped about the situation, and would not confirm this information on any level. Stay tuned.

I agree. It's nice that they have that little corner there, but the way it is, there's really little reason to visit it more than once.

I keep forgetting that this thread is about Seinfeld. Every time I see the title, I think it's about David Wright's return from the DL.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Counting on a repeat of the stretch earlier this year is insane even with a clean bill of health or bionic implants. That's been my thought too. I think he'll skip the surgery; the vibe I'm getting is that he wants to go the Halladay/Wainwright path. He'll come back in 2014, not be as good as he was (but still pretty darn good), and we'll never know if it's because of the elbow or because his 2013 was too good to be repeatable. I don't know if skipping the surgery is the wise choice, but I think it's the way he'll go.

Black 0.75 d'Arnaud 1.5 Gee 4.5 Germen 1.5 Hawkins 0.75 Murphy 1

Voting for all four games played against the Marlins last week will close on Wednesday afternoon, some time after 2 p.m. Schaefer POTG 9/13/13 - Mets 4, Marlins 3 Schaefer POTG, 9/14/2013 (Gm 1): Marlins 3 Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 9/14/13, Game 2 - Mets 3, Marlins 1 Schaefer POTG 9/15/13 (12 Innings) - Mets 1, Marlins 0

What about if his mother looks like Lou Gehrig's mother?

Voting for the four games listed below will close on Tuesday, some time after 2 p.m. There are only four votes so far for the 11th, and a pathetic three votes so far for the 12th. Surprisingly, the game with the most votes is the one that the Mets lost 9-0. And... I'll make the official announcement tomorrow, but the games played against the Marlins will close on Wednesday afternoon. If you decide to catch up on the Nationals games, you might as well do the Miami games while you're at it. Schaefer POTG 9/9/13 - Nationals 9, Mets 0 Schaefer POTG 9/10/13 - Nationals 6, Mets 3 Schaefer POTG, 9/11/2013: Nationals 3 Mets 0 Schaefer POTG, 9/12/2013: Nationals 7 Mets 2

Extra inning shutouts that the Mets didn't lose. The value before the stadium name is the number of innings. 1965-08-14 Houston Astros W 1 0 10 Astrodome 1965-09-28 Pittsburgh Pirates W 1 0 12 Shea Stadium 1965-10-02 Philadelphia Phillies T 0 0 18 Shea Stadium 1966-06-22 St. Louis Cardinals W 2 0 10 Busch Stadium 1967-06-06 Pittsburgh Pirates W 1 0 10 Forbes Field 1968-06-10 Los Angeles Dodgers W 1 0 10 Dodger Stadium 1969-05-28 San Diego Padres W 1 0 11 Shea Stadium 1969-06-04 Los Angeles Dodgers W 1 0 15 Shea Stadium 1969-08-19 San Francisco Giants W 1 0 14 Shea Stadium 1971-04-11 Cincinnati Reds W 1 0 11 Shea Stadium 1972-07-27 Pittsburgh Pirates W 1 0 10 Three Rivers Stadium 1973-08-24 San Francisco Giants W 1 0 10 Shea Stadium 1976-06-17 Los Angeles Dodgers W 1 0 14 Shea Stadium 1982-10-01 Philadelphia Phillies W 1 0 10 Veterans Stadium 1983-07-31 Pittsburgh Pirates W 1 0 12 Shea Stadium 1984-08-17 San Francisco Giants W 2 0 10 Candlestick Park 1985-09-06 Los Angeles Dodgers W 2 0 13 Dodger Stadium 1985-10-01 St. Louis Cardinals W 1 0 11 Busch Stadium 1992-04-23 St. Louis Cardinals W 1 0 13 Shea Stadium 1993-09-29 St. Louis Cardinals W 1 0 17 Shea Stadium 1995-10-01 Atlanta Braves W 1 0 11 Shea Stadium 1998-03-31 Philadelphia Phillies W 1 0 14 Shea Stadium 2001-04-12 Atlanta Braves W 1 0 10 Shea Stadium 2001-07-07 New York Yankees W 3 0 10 Yankee Stadium II 2005-04-13 Houston Astros W 1 0 11 Shea Stadium 2006-05-31 Arizona Diamondbacks W 1 0 13 Shea Stadium 2006-07-26 Chicago Cubs W 1 0 10 Shea Stadium 2010-09-13 Pittsburgh Pirates W 1 0 10 Citi Field 2013-05-07 Chicago White Sox W 1 0 10 Citi Field 2013-09-15 Miami Marlins W 1 0 12 Citi Field

Matsuzaka 5 Hawkins 0.5 Duda 1 Flores 1 Murphy 2 Black 0.3 Feliciano 0.2

Torres 3.5 Germen 0.5 Burke 0.5 den Dekker 1

Niese 2.9 Duda 4 Brown 1.1 Hawkins 1 Atchison 0.4 Black 0.4 Feliciano 0.2

Mets are now 64-81, with a winning percentage of .441. They project to a final record of 71-91. My prediction was for them to finish 80-82, so I need the Mets to go 16-1 to win this little contest.

I have no problem at all with them honoring Jackie Robinson. But the whole rotunda idea was way too much. And they shouldn't have made the park look like Ebbets Field. I don't think they should have made it look like Shea either. I would have preferred a new design entirely. Start to define what a 21st Century ballpark looks like. (Like the Nets did in Brooklyn.) But of course, it's too late for that. We're stuck with a Disney Ebbetsland Park.

metsmarathon wrote: regarding the confetti, i think that could work. or it could end up awful. one of the two. i think mostly it would be a juxtaposition of two so very different architectural themes that would be simply awful. but somebody should digitally mock it up just in case. This sounds like a job for Zvon!