Pelican Bat Wax presents: Find Us a Manager (Group C)

[Edgy MD]

Remember when you were Sandy Alderson? Well, dammit, you're still Sandy F. Alderson. And you're frankly a little underwhelmed at the ex-manager managerial candidates presented to you by your assistant GM and your special assistant to the GM. And then it occurs to you ... you have another special assistant to the GM — he's been on the job a couple of days now — and so you give him a call.

"TERRY!" you say, "I'm looking for an experienced manager. No, another experienced manager. This may be a total dick move, but I figure you know a lot of guys. On the one hand, you were a manager just last week. On the other hand — CALM DOWN, Terry — you've been around the race track a few times."

You let Terry vent for a bit about fundamentals and eggs in your beer and guys who run tight ships, and it's frankly still less annoying than listening to Willie Randolph talk about winning. At the end, you're all, "So, you'll have that list of 17 guys on my desk by nine, right?"

And damned if he doesn't have it there by seven. Because Terry is a lot of things. But above all, he's a pretty standup guy.

Which four of these 17 managers would you call in for the interview? Or at least the pre-interview interview?

	Mgr	Age	Team(s)	Yrs	From	To	W	L	W-L%	Ties	G > .500	G	W Post	L Post	W-L% Post	Best Fin	Wrst Fin	Av Rk	Plyof App	WS won	Penn Won	ASG	Mets Connection
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/846cfca2_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Pete Mackanin	66	PIT, CIN, PHA	5	2005	2017	226	291	.437	0	-65	517	0	0		4	5	5.0	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/2/26e4b984_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Tom Lawless	61	HOU	1	2014	2014	11	13	.458	0	-2	24	0	0		4	4	4.0	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/e/ed9e6403_manager.jpg[/fimg]	Jim Leyland	73	PIT, FLA, COL, DET	22	1986	2013	1769	1728	.506	2	41	3499	44	40	.524	1	6	3.0	8	1	3	3	Hired Terry Collins for his coaching stafff.
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/0/0dca28f6_manager.jpg[/fimg]	Jack McKeon	87	KCR, OAK, SDP, CIN, FLA	16	1973	2011	1051	990	.515	1	61	2042	11	6	.647	2	7	3.3	1	1	1	1
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/9/9025cfd4_manager.jpg[/fimg]	Daren Brown	50	SEA	1	2010	2010	19	31	.380	0	-12	50	0	0		4	4	4.0	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/b/b0b43d2a_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Sam Perlozzo	67	BAL	3	2005	2007	122	164	.427	0	-42	286	0	0		4	5	4.2	0	0	0	0	Coach, 1987-1989.
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/3/3c5a1306_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Buddy Bell	66	DET, COL, KCR	9	1996	2007	519	724	.418	0	-205	1243	0	0		3	5	4.6	0	0	0	0	Player, 1984-1986.
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/8ec64433_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Ray Knight	65	CIN	3	1996	2003	125	137	.477	0	-12	262	0	0		3	5	3.0	0	0	0	0	Father was and original Met, 1962.
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/c/c399cb78_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Buck Martinez	69	TOR	2	2001	2002	100	115	.465	0	-15	215	0	0		3	3	3.0	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/9/9d6f50c7_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Jim Lefebvre	76	SEA, CHC, MIL	6	1989	1999	417	442	.485	1	-25	860	0	0		4	6	4.8	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/c/c8449738_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Bill Russell	69	LAD	3	1996	1998	173	149	.537	0	24	322	0	3	.000	2	3	2.2	1	0	0	0	Johnny Goryl Dick Tracewski
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/6/6c13c3ac_manager.jpg[/fimg]	Greg Riddoch	72	SDP	3	1990	1992	200	194	.508	0	6	394	0	0		3	5	3.4	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/88753f52_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Jim Essian	67	CHC	1	1991	1991	59	63	.484	0	-4	122	0	0		4	4	4.0	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/e/eebae929_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Jim Snyder	85	SEA	1	1988	1988	45	60	.429	0	-15	105	0	0		7	7	7.0	0	0	0	0
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/8/8003c04f_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Billy Gardner	90	MIN, KCR	6	1981	1987	330	417	.442	0	-87	747	0	0		2	7	4.6	0	0	0	0	From Watertown, CT; played for New York Giants.
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/9/961caebb_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Johnny Goryl	84	MIN	2	1980	1981	34	38	.472	1	-4	73	0	0		3	7	5.0	0	0	0	0	Played for New York Giants.
[fimg=90]https://d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net/req/201709071/images/headshots/4/44b1bfe8_davis.jpg[/fimg]	Dick Tracewski	83	DET	1	1979	1979	2	0	1.000	0	2	2	0	0		5	5	5.0	0	0	0	0	Former minor league Brooklyn Dodger.

[Guest Mets Willets Point]

Is this the "Really Old Guys" group?

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, it just shook out that way, but howzabaout that? I sorted them into groups based on their last year managing. So each group should have some recent guys near the front of the list, but that may mean guys pretty much as old as the guys that haven't seen a dugout in decades.

Group D will have a couple of guys who haven't yet seen a social security check.

[Guest cooby]

Sam perlozzo gave me some heart palpitations once

[Guest d'Kong76]

I hope Group D is more encouraging.

[seawolf17]

d'Kong76 wrote: I hope Group D is more encouraging.

Seriously. This has been ugly so far.

[Edgy MD]

We've only had one Lachemann so far!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

We're going old, huh? Let's go CRETACEOUS, motherfathers.

Leyland, McKeon, Lefvebre, and Gardner... the last if only because I'm kind of morbidly, evilly curious about whether this team could actually kill a guy with its play.

[metirish]

Leyland only

[Edgy MD]

Tom Lawless is the bomb. First of all, his name is Tom Lawless. Second of all, if I'm remembering correctly, the Cardinals carried him virtually the whole season in 1987, but he didn't record a single hit until September. SEPTEMBER! His final batting average on the season was .080. Two-for-25.

But then, following a post-season injury to Terry Pendleton, the guy hits a homer in the World Series for Whitey Herzog.

Tom Lawless. That's a guy who'll reward your faith.

[Lefty Specialist]

So basically we're putting every living manager from the last 10 to 30 years into a pile and picking one out?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I had forgotten that Ray Knight managed the Reds. (And that Davey Lopes managed the Brewers.)

[Benjamin Grimm]

Hey, are we going to see Pete Rose in this game? He's not dead, but ineligible for other reasons.

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Hey, are we going to see Pete Rose in this game? He's not dead, but ineligible for other reasons.

I never promised you a Rose pardon.

[Edgy MD]

Lefty Specialist wrote: So basically we're putting every living manager from the last 10 to 30 years into a pile and picking one out?

Every living manager from forever. And picking four out from each group.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Leyland, but only if he doesn't smoke in the dugout. Or smoke period for that matter.

[Edgy MD]

This group needs more votes. Got a three-way tie for fourth among Lawless, Martinez, and Gardner, with two votes each.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I can't believe I'm the only one who voted for Essian. That mustache was a *star.*

[Edgy MD]

Essian looks a little crazy. Like the older brother of Luther from The Warriors.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Didn't Jim Leyland manage the Tigers? Of Michigan? Don't get me started.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It appears that somebody doesn't like Michigan!

Do you have something against all of the trees being the correct height?

[ashie62]

The multiple thread nominees seem so old to me.

So, how about this?