What's next for Harvey?

[Edgy MD]

I'm guessing he talks to the press before his next start.

I don't go for that definition of insanity. It's not a real definition of insanity for one thing. For another, sometimes continuing on the same course despite failure does indeed lead to success. Nothing crazy about that.

That said, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably the pen. Swap him with Verrett.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Edgy refutes Einstein, details at 11!

[Guest themetfairy]

Centerfield wrote: Exactly. I agree he should have stuck around. And you can even call him out on that. But like you said, to pretend that this is a character flaw that he knew about all along? Just infuriating. Plus, I admit to still being irritated at the papers for what I felt was a really disrespectful display when dealing with a man's health. It's just mind-boggling to me that anyone who works for a company that uses the headline "URINE LUCK" has any grounds to question someone's professionalism.

This. The media has been ridiculous towards Harvey this season.

In an ideal world he would have spoken to the media last night, but if he was so upset that he might have blown up and said something he would have regretted then IMO he was better off staying quiet.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: The thing is, you know the media just wants him to go down to Vegas so he can come back so they can have some Dark Knight Rises references for later in the season. So transparent. I disagree. You think they sit around in a conference room hoping that Player A does this or Player B does that so in August they can use a head- line that they've already conjured up? Dude, that's just mad! They report (or distort) the news on an hourly basis nowadays. They don't have a season-long plan for Harvey or even a team for that matter.

There's a lot of downtime in the press box during games/approaching games. They already pre-write game stories in the 5th inning based on a narrative they see developing, they certainly see potential developing storylines down the road.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Well, that's a pretty waffley response. It's not transparent to me
what you initially wrote. RIP, Dark Knight is just as stupid as Dark
Knight Rises so they're not sitting around rooting or planning for one
outcome or the other. They'll report (distort) whatever happens.

[ashie62]

We will hear it all, good,bad or indifferent.

I still kinda like the Colon 5 innings Harvey 4 gambit.

I am not a fan of Verrett.

If it comes to one start I would pull up Ynoa and hope the lack of familiarity get him through the opponents two times round.

[Lefty Specialist]

Well, I'm just pissed because I have tickets for Monday's game.

[TransMonk]

Then you'll get to witness the resurrection in person.

Lucky duck.

[Zvon]

Ashie62 wrote: I still kinda like the Colon 5 innings Harvey 4 gambit.

I'm not up on what's up. Do you mean Matt starts, Colon comes in? Or Colon starts and Matt comes in?

[Guest cooby]

Y'know, I get all that. But the 'we've always known him to be this way it was only a matter of time till it showed' line of writing sounds awfully hollow when you're only trotting it out after he hits rock bottom. (at least we hope he has) Kernan NYPost: It would be pathetic if it weren’t so predictable. This is who Harvey is, the ultimate front-runner, wanting everything his way when times are good and making the rules up as he goes along when they aren’t. His phony act hasn’t just worn thin, it’s worn out. The Mets are worried about his arm? They need to be worried about his heart. If it was so predictable how come you didn't predict it? Or even hint at the idea that maybe this emperor was at least occasionally short of clothes even when not doing SI photo shoots? Oh, I remember why. It's because you (meaning the whole pack of yous, not just Kernan specifically) were too busy slobbering over him while writing about how he was not just a singular talent but one uniquely suited to this time and place. I don't mind them jumping on him, I'm just a bit put off by the 'now it can be revealed (even though I always knew so)' angle. Now what would be really funny -- and by funny I mean totally absurd -- is if Francesa all of a sudden were to jump on this train as well after going from the guy who had barely heard of him to virtually claiming to have discovered him. Man, Mushnick, who dedicates maybe half his column space to calling big Mike out for claiming to have always known but only say so right after they occur, would have fodder to dine out on for months if that were to happen. This is actually Mike Vaccaro. http://nypost.com/2016/05/24/silent-matt-harvey-confirms-hes-the-phony-mets-have-enabled/ You know what? Fuck you Mike Vaccaro. What exactly has Matt done to suggest he isn't taking responsibility? Or shouldering the load? His responsibility is to work on his craft and do what it takes to get better. Boo fucking hoo he didn't talk to the media. And it's shocking to me that anyone from the Post can call anyone unprofessional. The same paper that ran juvenile stories, covers and headlines mocking the man's medical situation. A situation that might have been more serious than we know now. Fuck you with a fucking streetlamp.

That's pretty rough (vacarro, not CF). Is he always that mean?

[ashie62]

Zvon wrote: Ashie62 wrote: I still kinda like the Colon 5 innings Harvey 4 gambit. I'm not up on what's up. Do you mean Matt starts, Colon comes in? Or Colon starts and Matt comes in?

Colon starts and goes 5 then Harvey.

[Guest d'Kong76]

The Captain chimes in...

[Lefty Specialist]

Well, we already crossed our fingers and all we got for our trouble was sore fingers. Terry's of the mindset that you have play through it, but a couple more disasters and he'll have to change his tune. I got the feeling that the White Sox will shred what's left of his cape on Monday.

[Zvon]

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: I still kinda like the Colon 5 innings Harvey 4 gambit. I'm not up on what's up. Do you mean Matt starts, Colon comes in? Or Colon starts and Matt comes in? Colon starts and goes 5 then Harvey.

I most certainly would do it the other way around. Colon has done this before and it doesn't matter if you use him 1st or last. He'll adjust np.
I do think it's important that Matt starts the game. Harvey to start, no limit written in stone, but plan on 4 full and any bumps in the 5th, pull him for Colon. The unspoken goal would be 6 innings, but he won't be told that (Colon should be made aware of everything). The working plan would be 5 full, if & when he hits that wall (usually the 5th), NEXT!

I was surprised they didn't send him down.

[Edgy MD]

I think a bullpen assignment for Harvey needs not necessarily pre-schedule his appearances.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Makes no sense at all

[Zvon]

I think he's saying put Matt in the pen and use him out of the pen like any other reliever.

[Frayed Knot]

d'Kong76 wrote: The Captain chimes in...

As this points out, and as Ronnie said also the other night, the sin in not making oneself available to the press on those days when you are the biggest story is that it makes said player lose credibility with his teammates.
That the press sometimes views issues like these as if a personal affront against them is annoying but it doesn't make them wrong in saying that it's a problem.

And if the night is so bad that you feel you truly need a cooling off period then skipping the occasional time now or then wouldn't be so bad but Harvey was still pulling the silent act the next day too.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ashie62 wrote: Colon starts and goes 5 then Harvey.

This is less likely to happen than Joan Payson throwing a first pitch in 2016.

Frayed Knot wrote: As this points out, and as Ronnie said also the other night, the sin in not making oneself available to the press on those days when you are the biggest story is that it makes said player lose credibility with his teammates. That the press sometimes views issues like these as if a personal affront against them is annoying but it doesn't make them wrong in saying that it's a problem. And if the night is so bad that you feel you truly need a cooling off period then skipping the occasional time now or then wouldn't be so bad but Harvey was still pulling the silent act the next day too.

Right, a minute or two of 'sorry guys, I was a mess last night and couldn't talk
and I know you have a job to do too try not to do it again' goes a long way. It's
just good sense and professional courtesy? That's just me.

Edited May 26, 2016 by Guest

[soupcan]

This has gotten completely out of hand.

Should he have addressed the media? Sure....I guess. Honestly I didn't care. There was nothing new I was going to learn about his struggles. What more was he going to say that he hadn't already said after his other lousy starts? He feels fine, he doesn't know what the problem is, he hopes he can work through it.

I'm not his biggest fan either but the guy has been completely stand-up prior to to the other night. Give him a break, he's bummed out. So would all of us be.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

There's that extraordinary clip of Wright and Harvey encountering one another on the field following Harvey's bullshit drama that nearly cost us that 8-7 game last September that says more than a 1,000 Mike Vaccaro columns could. Looking...

bam

[Guest d'Kong76]

soupcan wrote: This has gotten completely out of hand.

Sure has, but it's an off day. And, it's out of hand because he is a lightning
rod. He created it with awesome pitching and off-field stories and you can't
just 'dis' (I hate that term, but used it anyway) the NY media and not expect
to get baked for it when your chips are down. If this was Verrett, we wouldn't
be having this discussion.

[Guest cooby]

Yeah the off day has given the press to much time with this

[Zvon]

d'Kong76 wrote: Colon starts and goes 5 then Harvey. This is less likely to happen than Joan Payson throwing a first pitch in 2016.

Not my quote, thank you very much.
I endorse the opposite.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: soupcan wrote: This has gotten completely out of hand. Sure has, but it's an off day. And, it's out of hand because he is a lightning rod. He created it with awesome pitching and off-field stories and you can't just 'dis' (I hate that term, but used it anyway) the NY media and not expect to get baked for it when your chips are down. If this was Verrett, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

if it was deGrom we wouldn't be having this conversation, but again, why does it matter?

He doesn't deserve more or less praise/grief just because the way he choices to lead is life is a juicier story for the media. Those things are unrelated.

And let's not forget it was the media that dubbed Harvey the Dark Knight to begin with. The media is tapping him on the shoulder and going "Made you look!"

There was some talk about closing the clubhouse to the media permanently not to long ago, and only making some players available in a defined space. I'm all for that, and while the starting pitcher would probably be required to speak after his starts, maybe a little bit bigger buffer would help.

[Zvon]

Bottomline:

99% of Mets fans don't care if Harvey talks to the press or not after what he has gone though recently. It's concerning but we don't hold it against him.

The media does care, but not in the way we do (or don't), and they can be little whining babies if they don't get their way. Giving a void for them to fill in themselves is never a good thing, especially with those NYC rags.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Colon starts and goes 5 then Harvey. This is less likely to happen than Joan Payson throwing a first pitch in 2016. Not my quote, thank you very much. I endorse the opposite.

Sorry, fixed...

In my effort to give Ash a ribbin'
Wasn't mindful when submittin'

[Zvon]

I agree with you and I'm a bit surprised that this Colon starting the game business is even being bandied about. We have used Colon many ways and it doesn't faze him. Nor phase him. So he should be the backup.

No big whup about the quote. Shit happens.

[Frayed Knot]

Zvon wrote: 99% of Mets fans don't care if Harvey talks to the press or not after what he has gone though recently. It's concerning but we don't hold it against him.

No, but his teammates care and don't appreciate being left to talk about his bad night because he refused to.
And when those guys who buy their ink by the barrel start writing about how Harvey is coping with this mess, not only are they going to be predisposed to knock him for how he's handled things and made their job a PitA but they just might also get some piling-on tidbits (even if anonymous ones) from some of those same disgruntled players.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: There's that extraordinary clip of Wright and Harvey encountering one another on the field following Harvey's bullshit drama that nearly cost us that 8-7 game last September that says more than a 1,000 Mike Vaccaro columns could. Looking... bam https://vine.co/v/eT3TdV0lIIB

Remind me what the drama was involving that game.
Harvey's final pitch that night was a bases-loaded single which wound up scoring four runs because of a tacked-on error which made the score 7-1 Nats.
Minus context that brief clip, while not exactly warm & fuzzy, doesn't say much.