2015-2016 Managerial Shuffle

[metirish]

Mattingly to the Marlins breaking on Twitter

Edited October 29, 2015 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Well, I was right about him going to Florida. I just had the wrong team and position.

[metirish]

and as we know ,Bud Black to the Nats

[Edgy MD]

Wow, I'm trying to respect these professional dudes and all, but I'm thrilled with both of those moves.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I thought that these announcements weren't supposed to occur during the World Series?

Or is there some exemption for tweets?

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I thought that these announcements weren't supposed to occur during the World Series? Or is there some exemption for tweets?

1) it's an off day
2) nothing so far sounds like an official announcement and it's tough to legislate against leaks

Mainly the 'rule' is in there to prevent Steinbrennerian type of hires timed purposely so as to steal the back page headlines in the largest media market in the country from a Game 7 of a WS that he wasn't in.

[MFS62]

Frayed Knot wrote: Mainly the 'rule' is in there to prevent Steinbrennerian type of hires timed purposely so as to steal the back page headlines in the largest media market in the country from a Game 7 of a WS that he wasn't in.

Y'mean like Jeter announcing his engagement on Day 1 of a Mets World Series?
The fucker.
And worse, the reports didn't even say if he gave her a ring or a gift basket.

Later

PS - I know this is a managerial thread, but the Eleventh Commandment is "Thou shalt never miss an opportunity to take a verbal shot at Jerek Jeter". It was on the third tablet. Ask Mel Brooks.
Back to the thread.

[Guest Mets Guy in Michigan]

Donnie is going to discover that it's very different to manage with a $300 million payroll and then with the Marlins.

[MFS62]

But I'm guessing there are more ex-MFY fans in Miami and environs than there are in L.A. They'll remember, and treat him fondly.

Later

[Lefty Specialist]

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Donnie is going to discover that it's very different to manage with a $300 million payroll and then with the Marlins.

Well, Stanton's making $300 million all by himself.

[Ceetar]

Bochy, Hale, Terry,Ventura, Andy Green. That's at least 5 managers with Mets connections. Who else?

[HahnSolo]

Ceetar wrote: Bochy, Hale, Terry,Ventura, Andy Green. That's at least 5 managers with Mets connections. Who else?

Hurdle and Gibbons.

[Edgy MD]

Chip Hale.

[Frayed Knot]

Not specifically manager related, but Alex Anthopolous will not return as Toronto GM

[Edgy MD]

Wow, that's a tough break. They won a tough-assed division that was totally up-for-grabs at mid-season. But man, they paid for it, and turning the burden of the Jos� Reyes deal into the triple burden of the the Troy Tulowitzki package was a hell of a last-minute addition to the ongoing payroll heft.

[Frayed Knot]

Apparently Anthopolous was offered a five year extension but turned it down. But the writing for this has been on the wall since the Jays hired former Injun exec Mark Shapiro (the guy depicted as talking trades with Beane/Pitt in the early scenes of MONEYBALL) as team president in August.
But, yeah, after years of finishing 3rd behind the Yanx/Sawx blockade, then trying big stuff but never busting to the top of that division (the Dickey trade, the Reyes/Buehrle deal) he finally does break through this season and it turns out to be his last. And all this on the day that Anthopolous was named AL executive of the year.
I suspect he won't be out of work long.

[Frayed Knot]

So apparently the Nationals didn't say they were hiring Black, man. What they meant is that they're hiring the black man.

Amid rumors of not being able to come to terms with presumed managerial hire Bud Black (lousy cheap-ass owners!) those talks ended and the team is apparently confirming the story making the rounds that they will take on Dusty Baker as their next dugout skipper.

If true, Terry would still retain his title as MLB's oldest manager as Baker clocks in at three weeks younger.

[bmfc1]

HA! HA! HA!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/11/03/after-bud-black-negotiations-leave-the-nationals-shifting-to-dusty-baker-the-lerner-family-has-a-fiasco-on-its-hands/

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Baseball owners are the best. Singularly vain and cheap and incompetent.

[Fman99]

bmfc1 wrote: HA! HA! HA! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/11/03/after-bud-black-negotiations-leave-the-nationals-shifting-to-dusty-baker-the-lerner-family-has-a-fiasco-on-its-hands/

That article is poorly written. I've read it and I can't tell who the manager or candidate is to be the manager. Clear as mud.

[Lefty Specialist]

WASHINGTON -- Dusty Baker agreed to a multiyear deal to become the Nationals' new manager on Tuesday.

"We were looking for a manager to help us achieve our ultimate goal of competing for a World Series championship," said Nationals owner Ted Lerner. "During our broad search process, we met with many qualified candidates, and ultimately, it was clear that Dusty's deep experience was the best fit for our ballclub."

Last week, sources said that Bud Black was the club's choice to replace Matt Williams. But multiple reports on Monday night indicated that negotiations between Washington and Black had either cooled or broken off entirely.

Heavens to Mergatroid. He will demolish that pitching staff.

[Edgy MD]

I think about that also, but I was always curious how much we make assumptions about that. We get extreme results like Prior and Wood, and then we follow the breadcrumbs backward to hang their injuries on Baker. But how much of that is coincidence and how much is causality? And are we selecting data to get the result we want?

Obviously, the Mets obsess over the health of young pitchers, but here we are, with Harvey, deGrom, Matz, and Wheeler, all with surgically repaired arms. Maybe Baker is to blame, but humility suggests we need to dig further.

Here's an old point-coutnerpoint article about Baker: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354126-does-dusty-baker-abuse-pitchers

What's interesting is to look at "Well, we'll see" cases they bring up back in 2010 � Homer Bailey and such � from the 2015 perspective.

[Guest Mets Willets Point]

Does this mean that the Nationals get Darren Baker and J.T. Snow too?

[MFS62]

Oh goody!
Now that my gag reflex has almost fully recovered, we will again be treated of those close-up shots of Dusty spitting whichever seeds he has always chewed out onto the dugout floor.
Why have the TV directors felt the need to show that to us every time they televise a game in which Dusty is managing?
Disgusting.

Later

[Ceetar]

Frayed Knot wrote: So apparently the Nationals didn't say they were hiring Black, man. What they meant is that they're hiring the black man. Amid rumors of not being able to come to terms with presumed managerial hire Bud Black (lousy cheap-ass owners!) those talks ended and the team is apparently confirming the story making the rounds that they will take on Dusty Baker as their next dugout skipper.

I'm all good with LolNats being the thing instead of LolMets. Hell, let's hit other points from the template. Sandy Alderson was "forced" on the Mets. Let's say Dusty Baker was forced on the Nationals. Certainly there were stories this past month about how the number of minority managers in MLB was unacceptably low.

[Guest cooby classic]

I saw at least one

[Frayed Knot]

TEAM	MANAGER	SIGNED THRU	STATUS	Hired
METS	Terry Collins	2017	Two Year Extension - Nov '15	11/23/2010
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	2015		10/13/2010
PHILLIES	Pete MacKanin	2016	Interim tag removed for 2016	6/29/15
NATIONALS	Matt Williams	2017	Dusty Baker Hired - 2 year deal	11/4/2015
MARLINS	Dan Jennings	2019	Don Mattingly Hired - 4 year deal	Nov 2015
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	2017		11/20/2013
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	2017 + option for �18		11/15/2010
CUBS	Joe Maddon	2019		10/31/2014
REDS	Bryan Price	2016		10/22/2013
BREWERS	Craig Counsell	2015-2017		5/4/15
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	2016	Resigned - 10/22/15	9/17/2010
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	2016		Oct 2006
PADRES	Pat Murphy	2015	Will not return	6/15/15
DBACKS	Chip Hale	2016		10/13/2014
ROCKIES	Walt Weiss	2016		11/7/2012
RED SOX	John Farrell	2016	Extended thru 2017	10/20/2012
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	2017		10/30/2007
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	2018		7/28/2010
BLUE JAYS	John Gibbons	2015 + option for �16		11/20/2012
RAYS	Kevin Cash	2019		12/04/2014
TIGERS	Brad Ausmus	2016 + option for �17		11/4/2013
INDIANS	Terry Francona	2016	Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + �20	10/8/2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	2015		5/13/2010
TWINS	Paul Molitor	2017		11/4/2014
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	2014		10/6/2011
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	2018		11/17/1999
RANGERS	Jeff Banister	2017		10/17/2014
MARINERS	Lloyd McClendon	201?	Fired 10/9/15 - Scott Servais hired	10/23/2015
ASTROS	AJ Hinch	2017 + '18 option		9/29/2014
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	2016		6/9/2011

[Edgy MD]

Ventura is signed through 2016. Gibbons has had his option picked up also. Yost signed and extension through 2016 before the season � maybe a bad move in retrospect.

So I got vacancies in Los Angeles and San Diego with Fredi Gonzalez possibly still twisting in the wind in Atlanta(?).

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Before Alderson collapsed he confirmed the Mets had given the Dodgers the OK to talk with Geren.

[Frayed Knot]

Dave Roberts -- of 2004 ALCS SB fame -- hired to run the multi-million dollar outfit that is the Los Angeles Dodgers

TEAM	MANAGER	SIGNED THRU	STATUS	Hired
METS	Terry Collins	2017	Two Year Extension - Nov '15	11/23/2010
BRAVES	Fredi Gonzalez	2015		10/13/2010
PHILLIES	Pete MacKanin	2016	Interim tag removed for 2016	6/29/15
NATIONALS	Matt Williams	2017	Dusty Baker Hired - 2 year deal	11/4/2015
MARLINS	Dan Jennings	2019	Don Mattingly Hired - 4 year deal	Nov 2015
CARDINALS	Mike Matheny	2017		11/20/2013
PIRATES	Clint Hurdle	2017 + option for �18		11/15/2010
CUBS	Joe Maddon	2019		10/31/2014
REDS	Bryan Price	2016		10/22/2013
BREWERS	Craig Counsell	2015-2017		5/4/15
DODGERS	Don Mattingly	2016	Resigned 10/22/15 -- Dave Roberts hired 11/23	9/17/2010
GIANTS	Bruce Bochy	2016		Oct 2006
PADRES	Pat Murphy	2015	Will not return -- Andy Green hired 11/15/15	6/15/15
DBACKS	Chip Hale	2016		10/13/2014
ROCKIES	Walt Weiss	2016		11/7/2012
RED SOX	John Farrell	2016	Extended thru 2017	10/20/2012
YANKEES	Joe Girardi	2017		10/30/2007
ORIOLES	Buck Showalter	2018		7/28/2010
BLUE JAYS	John Gibbons	2015 + option for �16		11/20/2012
RAYS	Kevin Cash	2019		12/04/2014
TIGERS	Brad Ausmus	2016 + option for �17		11/4/2013
INDIANS	Terry Francona	2016	Extended thru 2018 w/options for '19 + �20	10/8/2012
ROYALS	Ned Yost	2015		5/13/2010
TWINS	Paul Molitor	2017		11/4/2014
WHITE SOX	Robin Ventura	2014		10/6/2011
ANGELS	Mike Scioscia	2018		11/17/1999
RANGERS	Jeff Banister	2017		10/17/2014
MARINERS	Lloyd McClendon	201?	Fired 10/9/15 - Scott Servais hired	10/23/2015
ASTROS	AJ Hinch	2017 + '18 option		9/29/2014
ATHLETICS	Bob Melvin	2016		6/9/2011

And somehow I missed (but have just now added) Andy Green being hired by the Padres to replace Bud Black (who's next, Red Schoendienst? ... Vida Blue? ... Roy White?)
This oversight is probably due to the fact that I rarely think about the San Diego Padres and have never heard of Andy Green. Apparently he was the bench coach in Arizona recently. I'll take their word for it.

That makes next year's slate complete. Or at least it does until the first firing but that probably won't happen prior to opening day.