Draft Kings

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: Once people started suddenly deciding it was 'too much' advertising for daily fantasy, you just knew the politicians would jump up at the chance to pander.

Enforcing laws and stopping the flow of billions of illegal gambling
money is not pandering. I love ya man, but jeez I'd like to wear the
glasses you wear for a few days to see what makes you tick sometimes.

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: Once people started suddenly deciding it was 'too much' advertising for daily fantasy, you just knew the politicians would jump up at the chance to pander. Enforcing laws and stopping the flow of billions of illegal gambling money is not pandering. I love ya man, but jeez I'd like to wear the glasses you wear for a few days to see what makes you tick sometimes.

Those laws are fucked up. And it's not like these politicians were motivated by a law they hadn't known about or a business they were unaware of. It became a hot-button issue and they realized they could profit/promote themselves by addressing it.

What makes me tick is personal freedoms, gambling*, drinking, shopping in Sundays. To a lesser extent (because I don't actually do it), pot.

[Guest d'Kong76]

They may be fucked up, and the politicians certainly are, but the
law is the law. Try telling a cop when you get pulled over doing 80
in a 55 that the law is fucked up and see how that works for ya.

[Centerfield]

d'Kong76 wrote: I love ya man, but jeez I'd like to wear the glasses you wear for a few days to see what makes you tick sometimes.

Right? Sometimes I wonder to myself if the Admins are ghost-writing for him just to stir things up around here!

[Guest d'Kong76]

A couple of us (at least) have met him, he does indeed exist lol...

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: A couple of us (at least) have met him, he does indeed exist lol...

I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad?

d'Kong76 wrote: They may be fucked up, and the politicians certainly are, but the law is the law. Try telling a cop when you get pulled over doing 80 in a 55 that the law is fucked up and see how that works for ya.

The law is often subjective and defined by lawyers, which is why they've been able to exist for..6 years? (Fanduel says it was founded in 2009) My problem is with the reactionary nature of all this. How about some progressive thinking and some progress? How about figuring out how to filter daily fantasy through the already legal gambling setups in New York? (Or perhaps, there are people in the various gambling industries that lobby NY politicians that feel threatened by daily fantasy? hmm...) With all the gambling hotlines and taxes that come with it? How about being consistent with what constitutes gambling and which loopholes are allowed to exist?


When they pull me over doing 80 in a 55 (usually 82 in a 65 actually) all they're really looking for is money/quotes anyway. It's not actually about the law. Which is why they often change it to things like 'windshield obstruction' or in New Jersey the rather generic "Unsafe driving" with a higher fine.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad?

Tailgating legends count double!

[Ceetar]

d'Kong76 wrote: Ceetar wrote: I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad? Tailgating legends count double!

yeah, but El Segundo Escupidor gave me a beer!

[Guest cooby classic]

Ceetar wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: A couple of us (at least) have met him, he does indeed exist lol... I think I'm up to ..8? Poolers met IRL? 9 if we count Diamond Dad? d'Kong76 wrote: They may be fucked up, and the politicians certainly are, but the law is the law. Try telling a cop when you get pulled over doing 80 in a 55 that the law is fucked up and see how that works for ya. The law is often subjective and defined by lawyers, which is why they've been able to exist for..6 years? (Fanduel says it was founded in 2009) My problem is with the reactionary nature of all this. How about some progressive thinking and some progress? How about figuring out how to filter daily fantasy through the already legal gambling setups in New York? (Or perhaps, there are people in the various gambling industries that lobby NY politicians that feel threatened by daily fantasy? hmm...) With all the gambling hotlines and taxes that come with it? How about being consistent with what constitutes gambling and which loopholes are allowed to exist? When they pull me over doing 80 in a 55 (usually 82 in a 65 actually) all they're really looking for is money/quotes anyway. It's not actually about the law. Which is why they often change it to things like 'windshield obstruction' or in New Jersey the rather generic "Unsafe driving" with a higher fine.

Have I met you?

[Guest d'Kong76]

Ceetar wrote: yeah, but El Segundo Escupidor gave me a beer!

Beer trumps chicken on a stick!

[Diamond Dad]

I count! But only one vote per person, please.

For years we have had a system where individuals deposit money into accounts and then on a daily basis take some of that money and make bets, which win or lose depending on the outcome of events over which the player has no control, and where the individual's input into the system has no impact on the outcome. The player cannot (normally) fix the system nor influence the outcome, but the player's analytical skills and research skills in making good picks can often result in significant gains and where players with access to better information tend to do better than more casual players who lack the best information or who have less time to devote to the analysis. It's not only legal, but is played by millions of people every day individually and through agents. It's called the stock market.

Despite the NY Attorney General's midnight injunction, it is hard to explain why daily fantasy sports is any different from day trading in the market. In both cases, bets are made and the player's savvy, skill, knowledge, intuition, etc. can result in winning or losing, but the player has no actual input into the process nor any influence over the results. You can't "fix" fantasy sports games because players can't shave points or take a dive in a way that would cause a player to win. Now, an NFL quarterback should not be playing daily fantasy for thousands of dollars in a situation where targeting a particular receiver might help his fantasy team to the detriment of his real team, but aside from that, playing daily fantasy (yes, it's gambling in a sense, as is day trading) is not the same as running an on-line casino where you are the house and you are taking money from your players in a game of chance.

Of course, poker (both live and on-line) is even LESS like gambling, since the poker player is playing directly against the other players at the table, and the player's individual skills directly impact the outcome of the game. A poker player cannot get an edge on his opponents by doing better research of having inside information about injuries. A poker player may have information about hand histories from other players, but ultimately had to make individual decisions that directly impact whether he wins or loses. So, poker is much less like illegal gambling than either daily fantasy or day trading. Yet, poker is illegal in most places because the government treats it as falling under the prohibition of broad anti-"gambling" statutes.

It makes no sense, and it's mostly politics and the economic interests of big corporations that determine these things.

I'm sure as soon as Draft Kings and Fan Duel agree to state regulation and to kick-back tax revenue to New York, this will all be smoothed over. There is far too much money at stake.

Opening Day at CitiField -- there will be sausages!

[Guest d'Kong76]

What really happened here is organized crime came down on the
politicians because these sites are taking money out of their children's
mouths and said look you straighten things out and make it the way it
used to be or stories will be leaked about who is in bed with who and
all kinds of other juicy corruption stories.

[Ceetar]

cooby wrote: Have I met you?

Not yet, at least not that I'm aware of.

[Edgy MD]

Seems I can't visit a player's baseball-reference page now without peeping some graph representing his Draft Kings profile.

Has the time past where it's weird to enjoy baseball without this?

[Ceetar]

Edgy MD wrote: Seems I can't visit a player's baseball-reference page now without peeping some graph representing his Draft Kings profile. Has the time past where it's weird to enjoy baseball without this?

without Draft Kings? or without Fantasy in general? Because the second certainly augments some peoples enjoyment of sports, maybe even pushing a majority in football, but certainly not weird if you're not a gambler on the first.

[nymr83]

I think fantasy drives the NFL these days, which is better than offshore betting driving it, right?

[Edgy MD]

Daily Fantasy Sports outlawed in Texas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/sports/texas-attorney-general-deems-daily-fantasy-sports-illegal.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Time to deal yourselves out, MLB.

[nymr83]

I am a little surprised I was able to play through the end of football season, I'm thinking that setting up all the projections and stuff for baseball at this point would be a huge waste of my time

[Frayed Knot]

But [these daily fantasy leagues] certainly [do] resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy.

From Phil Mushnick's column: PBS’ “NewsHour” last week reported findings that 91 percent of DraftKings and FanDuel MLB pools are won by just 1.3 percent of its players.

[nymr83]

But [these daily fantasy leagues] certainly [do] resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. From Phil Mushnick's column: PBS’ “NewsHour” last week reported findings that 91 percent of DraftKings and FanDuel MLB pools are won by just 1.3 percent of its players.

which is proof that it is a game of skill, not chance.

[Ceetar]

But [these daily fantasy leagues] certainly [do] resemble gambling in that most of the winning is done by a small handful of essentially professional players who are at liberty to play and bankroll multiple 'games' per day with the idea that one or more will hit. Meanwhile the minnows dipping their toes into the water, or the ones who are conned by the commercials that make it seem like every entrant is a winner, are merely funneling their dough to the sharks which makes both the pros and the ones running the games very happy. From Phil Mushnick's column: PBS’ “NewsHour” last week reported findings that 91 percent of DraftKings and FanDuel MLB pools are won by just 1.3 percent of its players. which is proof that it is a game of skill, not chance.

Just because there's some skill in manipulating the elements of chance doesn't make it a 'game of skill'

You can put three coins down on a roulette wheel to triple your chances of winning and it doesn't make it skill.



Of course, none of that should really matter. the laws themselves are the problem.

[Edgy MD]

The fuck...



I haven't been to any games this season. Is this common now?

[Ceetar]

wasn't paying attention but on Opening Day. Mets weren't doing any DraftKings fun facts, but you see them around otherwise.

[Lefty Specialist]

I'm guessing the Mets are being paid a Shipload of money.

[Ceetar]

Lefty Specialist wrote: I'm guessing the Mets are being paid a Shipload of money.

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